I've been reading this thread as it was unfolding, because I am not a boat owner. I would like to say the following to 'big red fisher'. If you go on a public forum to ask for advice you have to be a little more humble. You came here to serve yourself and not offer anything. From what I read, you got a lot of good advice, and some of it required a little bit of effort, and you were hesitant. Some people made a few nasty remarks, and I cannot say that they were all unwarrented. However you were completely out of line in your last post . By doing what you did, it shows that you used this forum in an utterly self serving manner, and getting what you were looking for, and now by saying what you did, you wiil probably not post again. You should not only give a big thankyou from what you got from this forum, but give a SINSCERE apology for what you added to this forum. This is a perspective from a NUETRAL reader.