Dutch01

Also, why add coke or heroin to "get people hooked on weed"? Coke and heroin are top of the list already, while weed isn't even on it:

 

https://dreamcenterforrecovery.com/10-hardest-drugs-quit/

 

Notice what else is on the list? Why is nobody that is anti-pot not also arguing for the prohibition of alcohol and tobacco? Duplicity at its best.

please expand on how it would be possible to lace a green plant, marijuana, with a black tar substance, like heroin?

 

this should be interesting.

No all heroin is tar heroin. You could probably dissolve the heroin in a solvent (i'm not sure whether heroin is alcohol soluble, but if so you could use ISO), the spray the weed and let the alcohol evap. Any chemists in here?

 

The point is, no one is going to go to that trouble to "try to hook someone on weed ". That's reefer madness level propaganda right there.

It's probably true in terms of method but in terms of reasoning behind it I totally understand it.

 

In college, my first weekend I was wandering around Rez and a couple of guys asked me if I wanted to come into their house and meet some new people (it's college and this was on campus so I didn't think much of it). I walk in and their kitchen table has 3 lines of cocaine running the length of the table. They told me to enjoy myself and that as a frosh special it was 'all you can eat. For free'.

 

I took a pass. I've never had interest or curiosity in cocaine but I know why they did it. As a 'first timer' I don't imagine I could have taken more then $30-$50 worth of drugs but they were hoping they would have college kids as customers for life.

 

I know it's a little more subtle with marijuana but I could see trying to get kids hooked on the harder stuff. As you said though, not totally sure how they would get it to stick.

I'm sure in the scenario you present it makes sense. Give someone a line, not a big investment on a new customer.

 

If I were a coke dealer I'd have weed on hand so if someone asks they don't go to a competitor. This all leads into my point though. Prohibition encourages people to deal with criminals who sell other drugs too.

Ok, so my full opinion on this.

 

When I was a teen (which wasn't super long ago). Everyone knew a guy. I'm talking like 14-15-16 years old. If you wanted to get marijuana it was easy. Everyone knew someone. I didn't think of it at the time but there was something scary about that. We would hear about pot laced with all sorts of different things. That's how it becomes a 'gateway drug'. Not because people want to try other stuff but because dealers lace their weed with cocaine and heroin to create a market.

 

I don't smoke anymore as I find it just makes me tired and paranoid but I am all for legalizing it. When pot is legalized, you regulate it. It is known to stunt brain growth in people under 20 so you make the legal age to purchase and consume marijuana 21. You hand out harsher sentences for trafficking and really lay down the law on anyone smoking behind the wheel or at work without a doctors note.

 

It would be no different then alcohol or cigarettes except probably much more thoroughly regulated.

 

Saying no one will smoke if weed is illigal is just silly.

Saying no one underage will smoke if weed is legal is just silly.

 

But I'll take the lesser of two evils.

A very reasonable and pragmatic viewpoint, except the laced part.

 

I have always heard people talk about "laced weed" and in the decades I've spent around drug culture, I've never seen it.

 

I can never understand why someone would take something that sells for $50-100/gram (coke, depending on the decade we're talking about) and add it to something that sells for $10/ gram. Plus I'm not even sure how you would do it. You can't just sprinkle coke over weed. It would end up at the bottom of the bag anyways. I believe it's an urban myth, personally.

Things to do today:

 

Take money out of politics

 

capture unicorn

 

Have lunch with Santa

 

 

 

Art

I have to admit, this made me laugh

And that doesn't bother you at all? I find it a little disconcerting that you're OK with that. But then think that a proper dose of good old fashioned elbow grease is going to get someone into the top tiers of society.

 

And as for hiding money, when people are living pay-cheque to pay-cheque, there isn't a whole lot of wealth to hide anywhere, now is there? When you have to hide your money out in the open just to make sure you can retire some day, there isn't really millions of dollars left to send to that Caymans. But of course, it's only fair that those people should be able to take advantage of loopholes while everyone below them plays by the rules.

I wish we could "upvote" comments on this site!

 

 

Kinda' like when Teachers Unions donate to the Liberal Party of Ontario and then get a coincidentally similar amount of funding for labour negotiations back from the Liberal Government? Kinda' like that???

Yes, exactly like that!

https://video-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpl1/v/t42.1790-2/12183342_767239826731199_282386145_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjQyMywicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoidjJfNDI2X2NyZl8yM19tYWluXzMuMF9zZCJ9&rl=423&vabr=235&oh=6fcfa6e0d86c7c26ce73c81518e3aba3&oe=5632DEB0

 

Now THAT'S funny!

Dutch No a level playing field is not guaranteed anywhere. If I give 100 people 100 dollars and put them in a closed economy after 48 hours you will have some with nothing and a few with lots of money there is no crime to that. Some people have the ability to make advantages and then work them into profit . It is a mind frame not everyone can be rich or become rich if it was so easy it would not have any value. The good news is not everyone wants to be rich they are perfectly happy with what they have.

 

Hiding money legally is not a crime using offshore accounts , investments and write offs are available to everyone. Knowledge is power in the right hands to others it is something to rant about.

 

 

Art

Art, in a capitalist democracy, at least in theory, we are all supposed to have an equal opportunity to succeed. Whether you choose to use or squander that opportunity id's an individual choice. When people use money to buy politicians, and then have politicians pass laws to help them make money at the expense of other people, that is corruption, plain and simple. For example, when multi-billion dollar multi-nat drug companies donate to political war chests - do you think they're not getting something in return?. We need to take the money out of politics.

 

You're right about not everybody being able or even wanting to be rich.. And you're right about shelters being available to everybody of course. Good points both.

I can only read what you post and I did not see then or now the words "if/then" in the quote you posted. And then you make the statement "That's a pretty broad brush there".......So I took your words as you wrote them to a post that was not to you to begin with.

First of all, you replied to me, and BillM replied to you. That makes me part of the conversation. You don't get to jump in on a thread and then say to me "i wasnt talking to you"

 

Second, you still haven't answered the question.

 

You said:

 

"It's all a matter of choices in life", the inference I take from that is you believe people choose to be poor. I say it's not that simple.

 

" by giving them everything they need and want instead of saying NO work for itl", the implications here is if someone is poor, it's their own fault. After all, they could have just worked for it.

 

"Just like lazy and entitled breeds lazy and entitled ? ? ?". This statement was made I the middle of a discussion about income inequality. It's far from unreasonable for me to infer that you are calling poor people lazy and entitled. So yes, I did ask that question and no, you don't answer it.

 

I don't know if you live in Canada or the U.S., but in either case you were lucky enough to find yourself in a place where even the poorest have more than most of the rest of the world. It wasn't ONLY hard work that brought you any success, it was also random happenstance. Because if you lived in Syria, Sudan, Sri Lanka, or Yemen (just to name a few examples), you'd be lucky to be alive, and your best chance of upward mobility would be to become a good bomb maker (they're on demand right now). I find the lack of compassion for other human beings I read in your posts unsettling. I hope I'm just wrong about you.

This is your post.............

 

"Are you saying anyone who isn't 1% is lazy and entitled? That's a pretty broad brush there....

 

I'm pretty sure you are indeed saying that.

Ever heard of if/then? (as in IF you are saying that, THEN that is a broad brush)

 

I asked a question, and you answered with a question, since we're nitpicking.....

 

What noise Cliff and the mrs,s make under the roof during the rain, is for them to know only.

Hey now!!!

BTW where did I say that anyone who isn't a 1% is lazy and entitled.

You didn't, nor did I say that you did. I simply asked if that was your point.....

Just like lazy and entitled breeds lazy and entitled ? ? ?

Are you saying anyone who isn't 1% is lazy and entitled? That's a pretty broad brush there....

The 1 % are the people to aspire to not the people to hate on. Along my path I had the choices to spend my money or save and make it work for me. I chose not to spend and to not have new cars when I was young. I chose to buy houses and invest in my future. I chose not to spend money on alcohol and pot or exotic vacations so when I reached 50 I am financially secure and I now have the cars and the trips and any thing else I want. I may not be a 1% but I am always talking to them for advise on how I can get there. I did not have old money to help me it is all about how bad do you want it. What will you give up to make it. I tell everyone you can be as great as you want to work to be. A few members here have overcome major(unplanned medical expenses for one) financial burdens and every time they get low on money they busted their butts to get back on the plus side of money and they did it with a smile. To those people hats off you are a shining example of the meaning of "pick yourself up by your boot straps".

 

Art

Art, there's nothing wrong with your way of thinking. I value a good work ethic as much as anyone else. What I have in my life, I have because I worked for it.

 

The real 1% are mostly unknowns, who have family money and pull strings out of the public eye. They buy politicians and have them enact laws to make them more money off of you, and prevent you from every becoming a threat to them. They hire the best mathematicians out of uni to write algorithms, build high frequency trading hubs on internet backbone to gain fractions of a second, then sit back and collect fraction of a penny pet transaction on millions of transactions. While your stocks tank, they make billions. It's a scam, and we're the marks. They use loopholes in International regulations to pay little to no tax. Before you try to call me out on that, Warren Buffet is on record saying he pays less tax than his secretary. If you aren't in this club already, you are more likely to step foot on the moon than ever join it.

 

We are supposed to have a level playing field so everyone has an equal chance. This is a myth in this day and age.

 

 

EDIT: all right, I admit I went on a bit of a rant there

We had our roof done in steel last year, cost me $520.00 more than it was going to cost if I had it re done in shingles by the time I calculated everything in. We love it, house stays cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. I would never go with shingles again!

Is it noisy inside when it rains?

Dunno about 24 Sussex being a heritage building even

 

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/24-sussex-drive-should-be-torn-down-1.3292650

Interesting read, thanks.

The 1%'rs were born into it 99% of the time. Sure there are examples where they aren't, but let's not kid ourselves. Money breeds money.

Exactly, thank you.

You sound like most Liberals and Unions........DOOM and GLOOM because without DOOM and GLOOM there is no need for either one of those organizations and that's why they will never stop preaching DOOM and GLOOM.

 

I feel sorry for all those who fall for the DOOM and GLOOM sermons as they never really find happiness.

Off base again. Neither Liberal, nor part of a union. Harper was the guy threatening doom and gloom. He was trying to make people shut up and take it out of fear.

 

It was Trudeau that was trying to sell hope.

It's this kind of thinking, always blaming others that will hold down most of the population down while others have that twinkle in the eye and the energy to be a better citizen, father, wife or neighbor through hard work.

I will tell you one thing, the poverty population will continue to grow because now we have treated them like a separate community by giving them everything they need and want instead of saying NO work for it. All these different charities are actually harming them more then helping them and now it's out of control. You can't go anywhere without someone asking for another donation. It's sad.

Nope.

 

We work harder for less, and pay more for less. If you don't think income inequality is real, and a threat to our way of life, you're in for a rude awakening one day. Most governments in the world and also the UN publicly acknowledge income inequality as a serious issue.

 

We are kept with just enough food in our belly that we won't rise up and have our own "arab spring". Most of the world has little to no chance of ever getting out of poverty no matter how hard they work. There is nothing more dangerous than men with nothing left to lose.

 

You don't have to agree with me, I'm not even trying to change your mind. It's not worth my energy on which I get no "return on investment". I'm also not blaming anyone for my situation. I'm lucky enough to be born here and despite some hardship in life I have more than most in the world.

 

I'm just telling it like I see it.

I could never understand why some people are jealous of what others make for a living (the 1%).

 

Instead of being envious of them why not do whatever it takes to raise your own standard of living. It's all a matter of choices in life........some decided to not further their education after high school and smoke dope for a pastime while others looked further into the future and wanted a better life then their parents. I say GOOD FOR THEM.

I don't agree. If you worked hard for an education and got a great job, you deserve kudos, but you will never be part of the 1%.

 

Don't kid yourself, the 1% got that way by being part of an insider's club, and/or stepping on people to climb higher. The real 1% would sell your rights, your body, even your life for a dollar if they can get away with it.

 

When hundreds of thousands of Canadian kids are below the poverty line and hungry every day, there is nothing right or just about some rich fat cat sitting on enough money to feed them all.

 

Income inequality is no longer about whether you work hard enough. It's about a system in its advanced stages that's primary systemic function is to extract wealth from more and more people, for the benefit of fewer and fewer people.

For 10 million they should just tear it down and rebuild..Thats insane..As a home renovator I wan in on that bid..wow

Good luck getting permits to tear down a historic building...

10 Milion for a up grade. You're kidding.

A 1 milion dollar place would be enough

And it just started!!!!!

Also, I don't where you live but a $1M house in my neighborhood is more than likely a knockdown (I rent an apartment in the area, before I get accused of being a 1%'r). We can't entertain visiting heads of state in a shack!

10 Milion for a up grade. You're kidding.

A 1 milion dollar place would be enough

And it just started!!!!!

The place is full of asbestos and he has young kids. How about we cut him some slack?

She could be a Greek or Macedonian widow, they wear black for years after their husbands die.