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    Oakville, Ontario, eh?
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    I'm a self-unemployed financial advisor who avoids work whenever possible. I spend three months per year climbing big walls in California's Yosemite National Park, and I'm part of the team exploring and surveying the Mammoth Cave System in Kentucky. In between, I hop in my canoe and head into the Great White North in search of whatever happens to be biting.

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  1. Correct. This has always been the case. There are no quarantine requirements upon entering the states, at least when I went in September through November. But now they are requiring a negative covid test within 72 hours of getting on the plane, same as Hosers coming home, eh? It's very strange. There are no legal travel restrictions in Ontario. They can't stop you to check stay-at-home compliance, so don't get stopped for any other reason. Go fishing, out on the ice or on the water away from everyone else, wear a mask, etc etc. I was out on the road the last two days - Thursday and Friday - and I observed no appreciable reduction in traffic compared to before the stay-at-home order! Plenty of folks out and about, picking up stuff in parking lots, buying groceries and beer, and driving to get exercise. Fishing is great exercise.
  2. Dan, absolutely this cannot happen. Read the directive to the Toronto police that I have linked and copied above. They are not allowed to stop you to enforce the stay-at-home order, nor do they want to. And if you were stopped, you don't have to answer those questions. Only the driver has to provide a license and registration. They have plenty of other things to do than try to enforce a stay-at-home order. They can and will stop you for any other traffic infraction, or for having a taillight out, and you can bet your ass they will. So ... drive carefully, and don't get stopped. As an observation yesterday, I was out going to my dad's place - caring for a vulnerable senior - and the roads were busy. I did not see any appreciable reduction in traffic after the stay-at-home order had begun! I didn't see any people being stopped by cops, either. If I get covid, it's going to be at a grocery store. That seems like the high risk place. It ain't gonna be out ice fishing or ice climbing in the middle of Bumf*ck, Ontario. By the way, I'm as clean as clean can be. I just got back from a climbing and caving trip to Yosemite and Mexico, served my 14-day quarantine, and got my negative covid test.
  3. FINALLY SOME USEFUL INFORMATION!! http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/48988?fbclid=IwAR3XGU5gVkp4-_k89D9M2THFu9351I8hYqHRd_BTRnxYjkSnxq75nDgLWOI [Copied and pasted below, bold emphasis mine] Toronto Police enforcing Stay At Home orders Broadcast time: 17:15 Date: Thursday, January 14, 2021 Unit: Corporate Communications Phone: 416-808-7100 On January 12, 2021, the Government of Ontario, in consultation with the Chief Medical Officer of Health, declared a second provincial emergency under the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (EMCPA). The government also issued a new Stay-At-Home order to limit mobility and reduce the number of daily contacts with those outside their immediate household. The order is requiring everyone to remain in their homes with exceptions under certain categories including for groceries, medical, pharmacy, exercise or for work that cannot be done remotely. The Toronto Police Service will enforce this new order under the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act (EMCPA) in addition to continued enforcement of the Reopening Ontario Act (ROA) in partnership with the City of Toronto. "The message from the Toronto Police Service is to stay home and stay safe. This is no longer strictly a public health issue, it is a matter of public safety," said Deputy Chief Myron Demkiw. "We each have a personal responsibility to limit our travel to essential reasons only to slow the spread of COVID-19 and try to keep our families and communities safe and support our hospitals and healthcare workers." No element of any order provides the police with either the power to enter dwellings nor the authority to stop a vehicle for the singular purpose of checking compliance with the Stay-At-Home order. In addition, individuals are not compelled to explain why they are out of their residence, nor is being outside prima facie evidence of a failure to comply with the stay at home order. Workers are also not required to have proof from their employer that they are travelling to or from their workplace. Officers will focus enforcement efforts on restaurants and businesses not in compliance with closure orders and/or customer limits; responding to complaint calls for gatherings and officers will disperse and ticket gatherings of more than five people outdoors. "Officers can exercise discretion in every situation," continued Deputy Chief Demkiw. "But, where there is evidence of non-compliance, officers will be ticketing and issuing summonses for individuals and businesses." The public is reminded that only when an officer has reasonable and probable grounds to suspect someone has violated one of the orders under the two Acts, they may ask the person to identify themselves in order to issue a ticket or summons. If the person refuses to identify themselves for this purpose, they can be arrested and charged with obstructing a police officer. The Service continues to work with its partners at the City of Toronto, including Toronto Public Health, to determine how the regulations for large gatherings will apply to City-owned outdoor spaces such as skating rinks and toboggan hills." So go fishing, check that your taillights aren't burned out, don't speed, and if you're stopped, know what you have to say, and what you don't have to say. Save the link to your cell phone, and ask the officer to read it. Thoughts?
  4. Apparently not. Listen to the talk by police chief McGuire linked above. They are saying that they have to have some type of probable cause to stop you. And that they can't and won't stop you to ask you where you were going and why.
  5. Hey RickOnt, that is exactly the type of info we seek. Can you please provide the link to the source? Cheers, eh?
  6. Oh crap, sorry to hijack your thread! Here are some photos from Little Missinaibi area. We started our canoe trip in [big] Missinaibi Lake, paddled a long way in calm conditions, then up the river and portaged into Trump and Elbow. We went through Little Miss and then down the river back to [Big] Missinaibi Lake. The section of river is pretty difficult, and if I had to do it again, I would Elbow was past its prime in July, but catching lakers in Trump was as easy as getting out and trolling a silver-ish deep diver down seventeen to twenty-five feet. No big lakers, but man - I caught a lot! 1) A typical Trump Lake laker caught on a silvery #9 Shad Rap 2) An impeached Trump lake trout! 3) A couple walleyes from Elbow Lake. You have to think the fishing would be WAY better in May or June than it was for us in July. The walleyes were finicky, and wouldn't hit without using worms on the jigs. Certainly not as cooperative as the Quetico walleyes were just this July! What time of year were yous guys there?
  7. Oh, cheers! Nice classic views from Yosemite above. Here are a couple views from partway up El Cap, taken last fall when we were there. Because of the covid and the smoke from the Creek Fire, for a couple weeks my partner and I were the ONLY climbers on all of El Cap, if you can believe it! 1) The almost-view of El Cap from the Meadows in a moderately UN-smoky day! 2) New prototype portaledge we were trying out. It is cantilevered, turned 90 degrees from the usual setup. 3) Big wall margaritas two thousand feet off the deck. Note salted rim, eh?
  8. Wow, Terry - excellent find! OK - so ice fishing is definitely legit. I would certainly show this link to anyone stopping me going ice climbing, which wouldn't be too much of a stretch from the other permitted outdoor winter activities. I have found NOTHING about a travel ban in Ontario, nor any travel restrictions. It says you can go out for exercise, and the cops today told me they didn't have a problem with me driving up north to go ice fishing or ice climbing. Yet Doug Ford was QUITE emphatic on TV today, and basically said, "Stay the F*CK at home!! If you have to wonder if it's an essential reason to leave home, then it probably isn't essential, so STAY HOME." etc. But there is no travel ban ...? Thoughts?
  9. Can you please provide the link as to where you found it? I could only find this, from here: Enhancing Public Health and Workplace Safety Measures in the Provincewide Shutdown It wouldn't be much of a stretch to include ice fishing [and ice CLIMBING!] in the above list. But I'd love to have "icefishing" included. Is "icefishing" a word? You know, like "icewine"?
  10. That is the million-dollar question. According to the two cops I spoke with, they wouldn't have a problem with it. But the question remains, if you meet up with a bylaw officer walking along the pier or an overzealous cop in St Catharines, and he asks you what you're doing so far from home, it is up to him to decide if he will write you a ticket or not. There is only one way to find out, eh?
  11. Happened just now. In line at the carwash, there were a couple of Brantford city cops in an unmarked car next to us, so I got out and walked over and motioned for him to roll down the window which he did. Me: "Like, I just wanted to ask yous guys about the new rules that are kicking in tomorrow..." Cops: "Like, we don't know much about them either, eh?" Me: "I just wanna know if I can go ice fishing?" Cops: "Sure, why not." Me: "Yeah, but like, I have to drive up north to do it. But what better form of isolation, out on the middle of a frozen lake." Cops: "That sounds ok to us. 'Travelling for exercise.' " Me*: "That's a big box of donuts you have, eh?" Cops*: "For sure. But we, like, love donuts." Hmmmm. But would all cops be so understanding. *I made up the last two exchanges, but the first 6 are more or less verbatim.
  12. No hearsay. Share facts and sources. Attempted Clarification from Global News just now Relevant pieces selected, less relevant deleted: “Under this order, everyone must stay home and only go out for essential trips to pick up groceries, or go to medical appointments,” Ontario Premier Doug Ford said Tuesday, adding that walking pets or exercising is still permitted. The announcement left many people looking for clarification as to what they were and weren’t still permitted to do over the next month, so a government spokesperson provided some clarification on Wednesday. “Ontario is a big, diverse province,” Travis Kann explained in an email ... “As such, and as we have from the very outset of this pandemic, we will continue to rely on the best judgment of Ontarians as they stay at home as much as possible and only leave their homes for essential purposes.” The government says it also cannot decide what is an essential item for every person across Ontario although it tried to clarify what would be considered an essential trip. “We have provided broad categories that people should consider before leaving their home: food, health-care services, including medication, exercise or work, where someone’s job cannot be done at home,” it said. The new restrictions also allow people to gather in groups of five outdoors, which the government says it is allowing so that people who live on their own can still have company or support for mental and physical wellbeing. “Anyone gathering outside is expected to adhere to physical distancing measures and are now strongly urged to wear a mask,” the province said. The government says that exercise is considered essential although how Ontarians choose to do so is unique to each household. “Some may wish to go for a walk around the block, while others may wish to go to a local basketball court with their household to shoot some hoops,” the province said. “We recommend that Ontarians consult their local public health unit or municipality to understand what recreational amenities are open in their community.” “Right now, we are asking people to stay home and only leave their home for essential purposes, which could include emergency maintenance of a secondary residence,” it says. “In the spirit of the stay-at-home order, at this time we are not recommending intra-provincial travel.” Much more relevant, is the announcement coming down at 1pm, as posted by CBC in this link: Ontario to lay out 'legal parameters' of COVID-19 stay-at-home order today Officials suggested Tuesday that police will have 'discretion' to enforce order [YIKES!] Ontario Premier Doug Ford is scheduled to hold a news conference beginning at 1 p.m. ET in Toronto. The province said it will publish the "legal parameters" for the order, which takes effect tomorrow, online today and offer more clarification on the measure. As of Thursday, residents will have to stay home except for essential purposes such as grocery shopping, accessing health care and exercising. Here's what you need to know about the new rules. The province said police and bylaw officers will have the power to enforce the stay-at-home order and issue tickets to rule-breakers, but hasn't given details on how that will play out in practice. [YIKES AGAIN!] Wearing a mask is also now recommended outdoors when physical distancing is difficult. I guess we'll know a lot more after 1pm. I bet you guys who live up north close to the lake will be able to drive there and go out fishin' unmolested. They won't be chasing down anyone on the ice, as long as you're appropriately spread out which is easy enough to do. What better social isolation is there than ice fishing out in the Great White North? It's the DRIVING UP NORTH bit that worries me! I can't help but think that in spirit of a stay-at-home order, for a guy who lives in southern Ontario but gets checked by the OPP [or even a by-law officer!] up north. Cop: "So, like, how's it goin', eh?" Me: "Oh beauty." Cop: "So, like, you live in Hamilton. Whatcha doin' way up here?" Me: "I am exercising and going ice fishing." Cop: "Like, you're supposed to stay at home, cuz, like, there's a stay-at-home order, eh? So, like, I think I have to write you a ticket, unless you can come up with a viable explanation.....?" Me: {crickets} Me: "Would you like a donut?"
  13. Hey Terry, Did Doug Ford really say that? I listened to his speech today, but didn't hear him say that. Was it during the Q&A session later? From this link on the CTV: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/questions-about-ontario-s-stay-at-home-order-answered-1.5264068 "TORONTO -- News of enhanced public health measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19 in Ontario may have some residents wondering what is, and what isn’t, considered essential under the provincial government’s new regulations. That’s why CTV News Toronto has compiled a list of activities that are allowed and businesses that will remain open after the province’s stay-at-home order goes into effect on Jan. 14 . Can I go to my cottage or secondary residence? No. The government says that because it is asking residents to stay home, trips to a cottage or secondary residence should be avoided, unless it is for an essential purpose like emergency maintenance. I booked a short-term rental getaway. Can I still go? No. The province says that pre-arranged bookings for short-term rentals at hotels, motels, lodges, cabins, cottages, resorts are prohibited, with exceptions for housing requirements."
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