jedimaster

Far as I know to keep and trasport sportfish in Ontario you need permision from the MnR and Ministry of Oceans and FIsheries and need to be inspected regularly. Much like opening a zoo.

Not really any deals there nor do I care about them being legal or not, but if you wanna see some big @ss crappie they got a bunch in a tank.

Anyone been to Lucky tackle in Scarborough? Just wondering if they have a permit for all those captive Crappie and Bass. a few pics and pike in there as well.

Boats are the real deal from the US, but you need to know your boats and be able to determine if the motor is any good as they run boats 365 days a year down there, unlike the 3-6 months we get up here.

When buying a boat you pay gst and pst on the boat, gst and 209 dollar inspection fee on the trailer and there is no duty if both were made in the USA. You need manufacturer slips for the trailer., bill of sale seperate for both and titles for both unless the boat comes from a title options state like North Carolina.

Once my boat sells I will be buying my new boat from the US.

I can't see it from Mcowan and SHepard.

Thats how I do mine. Back it in straight, put one wheel block on . unhook it and move it by hand.

an IO needs to be winterized earlier than an outboard as the block will not drain unless you have a 95(I think) or newer mercruiser, They have a T handle that you turn and it will drain the block completly.

For 10,000 you can find a kick ass boat in the US that would suit your needs. I still say go for an IO(3.0 mercruiser reliable and great on gas, in a 17 foot bowrider. Most every 10,000 dollar fish n ski model is designed off of a bass boat hull and will be too shallow of a draft for what your looking for. You will need to go with an All out bowrider and modify it to meet your fishing needs.

Four Winn's, Rinker and Glastron are the best Hulls. Glastron's to my experience are the fastest. Four Winn's have the most bell's and whistles, Rinkers are a decent middle ground.

I wouldn't buy a Wilker Grew or a Starcraft, they are cheap and thin hulls. I was in a 95 grew and it felt like paper compared to my much older glastron, I was in a brand new 18 foot Rinker and it was really nice but was slower than mine(Same motor 3.0 mercruiser)

Check out www.boattraderonline.com for Boats in the US as well as www.iboats.com

I have someone comming to look at my boat tonight, hopefully it sells, then I will be going down to pick up my new boat.

I am about 95 percent sure I will be getting a 1995 ProCraft Fish n Ski.

Just be sure of motor and Hull condition before buying in the US and don't buy one that was run in Saltwater. Especially an IO that was run in saltwater.

I tried the glow in the dark ones last year on quinte and didn't catch anything with them. but I did catch a bunch with the ugliest ugly hunk of lead in my box called Crippled Herring.

Not convinced on glow in the dark lures, but I guess at the very lest they don't scare away fish.

ha ha yah, trolled with a friend in his bass boat for like 2 minutes and thats all I could take. I was like dude, give me my slow bowrider with an IO any day.

4 stroke is the way to go.

Minor Hijack, but has anyone tried the ones with the LED's in the lure?

Just Glue the Ant to the hood of this Mondeo and it will learn damn fast how a 747 gets off the ground and flies.

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Yah The depth and V angle play a big role on the rough water ability. Depending on the exact model of the alluminum it may be ok, but in generaly Alluminums are not that great on rougher water at slower speeds. EG a 21 foot bass boat at trolling speed in 2-3 foot waves and I will take a 17 foot bowrider any day of the week.

However at full speed a 21 foot bass boat will bridge the peaks and will run smoother on plane.

It all depends on your style of boating and the waves on the lake.

In general a 17 foot fiberglass bowrider will be better for a big lake than a 17 foot or less

alluminum. And for Sub 10 thousand dollars to find a 4 stroker ouboard on a good rough water boat will be difficult to impossible to find unless you go to yankee land.

In the end get the boat that you want to get, not the one that everyone else thinks you should get. Its your boat you gotta trailer and use it.

Deep V's for rough water, Longer the better for on plane performance, For trolling comfort get one that sits deep in the water, for mileage get a 4 stroke or IO, for performance get a 2 stroke.

Bog was 69 - 71 last weekend

The easy way to say it is, God always existed. Thats the general belief. My kids have asked similar things as well. As they get older they aske harder questions... LIke this one.

If god can do anything, can he make a rock so big and heavy that he can't lift it?

Turning to a fishing forum for advice on religion....What has this world come to.

Ahh after re reading your posts, I would think your definatly after a Fiberglass a 17 footer on the great lakes trolling is gonna be really rough. I have been there in an 18 foot Lund, at speed its tolerable but trolling it can be very scary. As can Simcoe.

18 foot limit is going to put you into 17 foot Fiberglass boats. If your gonna be tooling around with 6 people I think you definatly want to have a bowrider. If your not interested in my boat thats cool, but it really would be a good fit for what your after. Can seat 9 with the bow casting deck removed. seats 4 no problem. I have 4 kids myself, so we always have 2 adults and 4 kids.

A 19 footer would be better but they are gonna be way to big to fit in your garage.

As for boat manufacturers, Glastron and Four Wins made the best boats in the late 80's early 90's. Some Rinkers were ok, and stay as far away from bayliners as you can.

As for IO versus OB's. If your on Big lakes you will appreciated the fuel savings you get from an Inboard versus an OB.

a 150hp OB will burn nearly 3 times what a 140hp IO and will maybe be 5mph faster. EG mine will do 42mph with a 19 pitch prop.

A 17 foot Alluminum with 4 adults and 2 kids is gonna be pretty scary on the great lakes and Simcoe. JMHO. I have been on both, had both and will likely be sticking with a Fiberglass. If I can find a shallow draft fiberglass IO I would but I think I will have to go with an OB. The gas is gonna kill me though.

Sounds to me you may be better off with a Fiberglass than an Alluminum. Is it going to be an all out fishing boat or semi multipurpose. Do you want to stay dry in rough water? How rough is the water your going to be in. Do you want something fast or slow. There are lots of used boats for under 10k. For example my 17.5 foot bowrider is only 4k with everything, safety gear trailer, fishdinfer, trolling motor etc... minus the folding tongue(can put an insert in) and a kicker add a thousand bucks for a used 9.9, new seats for 500 and you well under 10k.

I am buying a boat as well. But I am going for a more shallow draft boat, more of a bass boat style fish and ski, versus a bowrider fish and ski. You really need to buy a boat like this for the water your fishing. I used to be on Muskoka Lake and my boat was perfect for that lake. Now on Scugog and I can't get to places that I want to fish.

I have been looking intesivly in the 5-10k range. There is not a heck of allot of difference in the boats in that price range. Some boats for 10k are the same as boats listed for for 5k.

If you really want the most boat for the buck your gonna have to go to the States, but be sure you know your boats and the model you want, you don't want to put the coin in to drive down and end up with something just for the sake of getting something.

If your going with a used alluminum go with a Lund.

If your going with a fiberglass than it will really depend on what water your on as to what style and type of boat you need.

Alluminums are good all around boats. Unless you go 18 feet or longer they are pretty bouncy in big waves, especially at trolling speeds. But since you say you want to put it in your garage a big alluminum may be out of the question. Stay as far away from Legends as you can. Some people like them but I have seen may Legends submerge the bow on Lakes like Muskoka, Simcoe and BoQ.

As for Outboard versus IO. There really isn't a huge difference. I have found older IO's seem to be easier to maintain and more reliable than some older OB's. SOme will argue against that but I guess it depends on what you have had to work on. I prefer to work on IO's as I am from a car mechanical background.

If you want to extend your fishing season into the very late fall an IO will need to be winterized sooner than an Outboard.

Both are about the same as far as what to do, slightly more on an IO.

I prefer the visibility gained from having an Inboard and I like the ability to have a larger rear deck/swim platform with an IO.

Personaly preference though.

Best of Luck searching. If you figure out exactly what you want let me know, I am always looking I may come across a decent deal.

Nice, were you trolling or casting? What lake were you on?

Here is mine. Its an '88 glastron Conry X17. 17.5 feet 140hp mercruiser. 48 pound trolling motor. removable front casting deck. rear casting deck, cd player, Steering wheel gps, fish finder, livewell with variable timer. soon to have new seats.

yah me too. was bummed for about 5 minutes til i hit the musky.

Hey guys, hit this 38 inch ski on the bog this morning. Missed what we figure had to be at least an 8 poun pic at the boat as well. we were convinced it was a muskie until we saw it. it shook off when we went for it with the net. It hit the musky spinner.

Like I said I was on one several times and they are really narrow. I can reach from one gunwal to the other with my hands.

Its a really purpose built craft.

Built for speed. Oh yah and if you happen to throw a rod in the locker then you can fish from it too. Personally I think the hulls are damn ugly but they are retarded fast.

If you have 4 canoes you can make them into a diamond this also works well.

You kinda have to see it to get it.

but you need to get an extra set of paddles. put a paddle across the bow of two and the stern of two, wedge a lifejacket between the middle where they touch and tie off the front paddles on the outside of the front and back and tie the middle together on the inside.

I did this a few times on Opeongo when it got whicked wavy and it worked well.

Do yu ean take two canoes and make a raft out of them?

On the same topic how difficult is it to put together the spinner baits if you buy the kit? I was thinking of buying a kit.

Nobody fishes for them that was like musky 20 years ago. We used to bump into musky in the kawarthas 20 years ago before people fished for them. They would swim in the wake of our canoes. close enogh to bonk with a paddle.

Yah I gotta say. Everytime I go camping in a canoe, I leave an extra weather day. I won't do it any other way. Lifejackets are always on Kids AND Adults. There were many lessons to be learned. Over loaded canoes, in a rush, no communication with the person picking up, LIfe Jackets not on, no extra time for a fall back. So many bad things can happen canoeing.

A few years ago at Opeongo I took a group out with me and my son, as we were leaving the launch I pointed out a canoe with two adults, and I said look at those guys, they aren't wearing life jackets, and they don't even know how to paddle properly. % days later when we returned to the Main Launch I found out both guys died 20 feet out from the dock the morning I pointed them out.

A year later my friend lost 3 friends and nearly two more canoeing in a river.

Canoes are extremly dangerous especially on big lakes.

I didn't read the other comments on this thread so I am probably saying something already said.

Anyway a lesson learned thankfullly no one was hurt or killed.