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Man oh man, I wasn't even aware of the other suspensions he has received outside of last years playoffs. I'm not surprised now, that so much attention is surrounding him. He needs a reality check of his own.

shakeyhead/worm combo, jig/grub, jig/minnow, or bass style spinnerbait 13 FOW on the west side of an island on NW Bay, Rainy Lake I can already see it in my head, and it's magical! We land 30 walleye over 30", and everyone limits out on eaters. I get home just as my girlfriend cracks open my beer and hands it to me We enjoy some company/stories from the adventure, and after a few more cold beers and some fresh walleye, my lottery number hits and the pot is 30 million. I'm so amped for opener!!!!

Yeah, I forgot about the intent to hit the head aspects. For Stevens hits I should have mentioned also that I'm referring to some of the more memorable hits, but yeah, I don't see intent to hit the head. I know he had TONS of clean, hard hits in his day as well. Whenever him or Rob Blake were on the ice, I was always watching closely for that big hit to come.

watch Stevens hits. Almost all of them are shoulder to head. That was a legal hit then however. But yeah, Stevens hit on Lindros today and thats a big suspension Here is a good body check, lol

Oh my! Thats a great catch for sure I'll be anxiously awaiting your report/pics from your travels

A little bit when under tension, hardly noticeable though

I second that

Yeah, one would think that would make sense The end of April is when it says it will be available again, with upgrades I guess I'll be left waiting anxiously until it's available again

Crosshairs, Throughout your involvement in the FN commercial fishing and tracking the data has there been any voiced concerns over targeting spawning fish? I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from here. If you harvest fish and promote the protection of the resource (which is paramount), it would make sense to close fishing for the spawning period. I still don't like the method of spearing fish and guessing the gender, but at least the overall numbers are much smaller than netting. But a method where untargeted fish could be safely released would be very respectful towards the fishery. Where I live (RRFN) there isn't a closed season in which I am aware of, even for the walleye spawn. But out of respect for the resource and the creator, you won't find people targeting spawning fish. Anyhow, thanks again for taking your time to contribute to a valid discussion

Thanks Drifter, I already had that link but it wasn't showing the right apps. Turns out, in small print in the news section, that as of april 11 the marine apps are not available, they are under maintenance

Does anyone know if the iphone navionics app has been discontinued??? I can't find it in the store??? Also, any suggestions for apps that are useful to an angler/outdoorsman??? I have wrote down some of the suggestions from a previous thread Thanks for any advice!

and thanks for the added input crosshairs, But I'm going to strongly disagree with you on the topic of identifying walleye gender. And it's not that I'm saying Natives shouldn't target females alone, but under guidelines and the protection of the fishery, neither should be targeted during the spawning period IMO

Conservation of the resource trumps everything. At least that is what is written in the agreements. But I am not the one to say if the resource is hurting because of the acts of the local Natives

Fishing won't be very good if you got Deet on your hands,lol Make sure to wash good before touching your lures/bait

The 4 net rule you mention there, is that for residents of the reserve? Or for commercial fishing purpose? Also, I'd like to hear Clayton Goulais thoughts on how anyone is determining the sex of the fish before spearing??? Are they guessing based off size? Or is there some other method I'm not aware of?

The traditional methods would not include much of spearing IMO, but rather fashioned nets made with pounded wood. I could be wrong as to the specific band/tribe, but I doubt it. Traditional methods of hunting and fishing were to use the easiest, most efficient way to harvest the animal or fish. A traditional Native would not have purposely harvested female fish during a spawn, as it goes against everything they stood for. Same reason as I would think that spears were not used for fishing purposes. What is being done here I think is learned ignorance. That is the only way I could see them using a poor method of catch, during a spawning period. If I'm right, this is probably something that is relatively new, and not traditional. Thats the only way I can see it, because it makes no sense at all. And those limits need to be dealt with, 20 fish per day is too much, regardless of the method used. I agree with the points your making though, it's a tad absurd to use such methods to catch fish. Edit: I'm wrong. Certain tribes indeed spear fished as a main source of food. I'm speaking with a local Elder and he says fish that were easily smoked were the main targets(suckers/sturgeon). Which I guess makes sense as the food would be easier preserved for longer periods.

Nipfisher, I didn't mean for that post to make it sounds like you weren't educated on your home waters, sorry if you took it that way. I can totally understand your worries towards your fishery, I'd be offended as an angler if you didn't, lol. What I meant though, was that there are tons of little laws in the Indian act that alot of people are not aware of, it's def. not common knowledge. One thing I want fellow anglers to understand, is that a status card IS NOT providing a right to abuse the fishery. I know alot of people believe that "status" allows Native Americans to fish and hunt and keep whatever they want, and thats just not true. Of course, some of this stems from ignorance of the laws on all parts, including CO"s. It is my understanding Nipfisher (and I may be wrong?), but under the Indian act, a reservation may NOT make by-laws of their own in regards to the preservation, protection and management of fur-bearing animals, fish and other game on the reserve; And the means of harvesting fish must be done in a manner that doesn't harm the fishery, nor abuse the resource. So yeah, anyhow, I think your totally in the right here for being concerned about this issue. I think it's wrong of them to target spawning fish, with a spear nonetheless. I'd be making some phone calls if I were you to see what can be done. Native or not, this is not productive to any fishery, and is blatant overharvesting IMO, by a means that does not respect the resource.

Nipfisher (and others). When fish are being harvested in a negative/harmful manner, it can still be reported. I'd suggest making some phone calls and asking questions to the right people, and getting educated on the laws. So you know what means to approach to protect the fishery. Just because a person is Native, does not give them the right to fish with dynamite, so to speak. I know this is a touchy subject, but alot of this is based on ignorance.

And by that thought process, everything is correlated to race. The rights that Native Americans have were given to them by the Canadian Government. So whether or not you accept it, it's a issue with how the fishery is being handled by OUR Canadian government. I get what your saying, but thats an issue you should take up with the correct channels. and where I live, given the example you gave, both guys are in jail and facing charges for resource abuse

Thats a lawful issue, not a race issue. The thread is about the fishery and overharvesting

I'd say that's off topic. This isn't a race issue IMO. It's ignorance and the effect it will have on the fishery. Many people of all races and colors overharvest fish worldwide, legally and illegally.

Yeah, I seen that. Don't believe it for one second though. If you can see the fish, the only way to "guess" which are females would be size, and it would be exactly that, a guess. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never met one person that could decipher the difference while the fish is in the water. I certainly could'nt do it, thats for sure. I just can't wrap my head around spearing the fish??? If I had to harvest solely for the purpose of feeding my family, I'd be looking at the best method available not only for catching the fish, but also maintaining the fishery. But anyhow, if they choose this method, I'd be willing to bet the majority are not conservative minded. If they were conservative minded, would they not look at a more effective method? Thats just my train of though...

Yeah, thats exactly it. I can totally understand where your coming from. My guess would be a lack of knowledge on the subject, because, well obviously this is just an ignorant way to do things, it makes no sense at all. The quotas are totally messed up too, and lawfully should be re-written IMO. 20 fish per day is obsurd, even with 10 children in a household that is too much. And the quotas should incorperate no fishing during the spawn, or at the very least the release of all females during the spawn. There is 8 people in my household, we have a big family. We keep enough fish for a few meals per year (probably anywhere between 4-10 limits per year), but it takes 4 fish, 4 potatoes and a bag of veggies to feed are whole household for an evening.

Good point, but the Natives of old were incredibly smart when it comes to nature/harvesting. I've seen fashioned dip nets that were used along time ago, so they could release spawning females. Can't do that with a spear.

I've witnessed similar issues near my home as well on another reservation. Just last year actually. The highway runs through a reserve, and the reserve protested something(can't remember what?) so they put up a road toll right in the middle of the highway on after a sharp corner and just before the Causway bridge. It was very dangerous too. The truckers etc really didn't like it, and it let to quite the racial battle between hat reserve and my hometown. Alot of racism on both parts and things got ugly, alot of people showed their true colors. Shorlty after, it was taken down. I can't recall how the disput was resolved??? Yeah, see that's not acceptable IMO. I guess things are different in your area for the reservations/band members. In my area those things just don't really happen too often. Even the band members would be putting a stop to that really quick where I'm from. Then again, we do have a few reserves in the area that I'd imagine things like that happen in. Ask Aaron Shirley if he remembers getting golf balls hit at him in NW Bay while trying to film his fishing show, lol