jonnybass

LOL!!!

Thanks for that write up Artem. My question to you is: If this is such a basic violation of the law of conservation of energy, why is the U.S. Military having this developed for their Hummers? That's why I dug this thread up - to ask the nay-sayers this question. It seems to me that the U.S. Military physicists probably know more than I do, so I was just wondering why they feel that this technology is feasible when OFC scientists know otherwise.

Freshwater is more expensive than gas? I can fill my gas tank with tap water for a few cents - Your water bill where you live must be thousands of dollars each month. Shower much?

Thanks for that explanation camillj. From what I've read, the idea that people are buying into involves burning the hydrogen as it's produced, thus no need to store it. A "Hydrogen on demand" type of system.

Do I belive Fox News? LOL, I hate Faux News! But, even Faux News would have checked with the U.S. Department of Defense before they made such a claim. So assuming that the U.S. military is involved as Fox News claims, you still haven't answered my question. Is 1969 long enough ago? http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex51230.htm I'm not saying that this works, because I don't know either way. I'm just curious as to why the U.S. Military would want a device installed into their Hummers that defy the laws of physics?

Thanks for answering the question.

Sorry to dig this thread up. lol I have been reading a lot of forums about this topic and it seems that many people claim that this concept breaks everything from the laws of thermodynamics to the law of conservation of energy. Well, Fox news reported that the U.S. military is having these devices installed in their Humvees. The U.S. military has technology so advanced that it would blow your mind. So, don't you think that U.S. military scientists/physicists would know about the laws of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of energy? They built the nuclear bomb, so it seems to me that they would understand the law of conservation of energy, don't you agree? If it was not possible, wouldn't they know? To those of you who understand the science behind this better than I apparently do, can you please explain to me why the U.S. military is having these devices installed into their Humvees if it doesn't work? No flaming please, just kindly answer the question.

Good question. I would love to see some data pertaining to this very question. I will say one thing though - It seems that older people always say that things were better back in the day. LOL

Don't let people like that get under your skin... You'll spend most of your time here arguing and bickering if you respond to every ignorant fool that flames you. Trust me, I know first hand. LOL

Some people don't want to be a part of the OFC "family", they just want strictly info/advice on fishing. Is something wrong with that? After all, this is supposed to be "Ontario's Best Fishing resource" right? I mean, who cares if it's someone's first post or they didn't disclose their personal info in their profile? Why should that matter? To each his own. I personally don't care to participate in the family aspect of this board because I have my own family and friends in real life. I mean no disrespect, but I was attracted here because I was looking for fishing information, not because I was looking to be "adopted". I get turned off when I see you guys pushing this whole family thing on noobs. IMHO, it is much better to just be helpful to them and they may stick around and choose to be a part of the community on their own. If not, so be it, you've still helped a fellow angler and that's something you can feel good about and reflects well on your OFC "family".

Woops! I stand corrected! Thanks for setting that straight. (I should have looked it up myself) I assumed that since they "asked" to come aboard, you had an option to say no. lol (similar to when a cop asks if they can come into your house, you can say no if they don't have a search warrant) I guess they only only "ask" to be polite, when in reality they are coming aboard whether you like it or not. Since they can legally do as they please, I highly recommend that you do not give the cops any attitude whatsoever as you are completely at their mercy.

Agreed 100%. If the cops ask to board your boat, tell em to buzz off, end of story. They had no probable cause.

I'm confused. In the first pic you're holding a pike which you didn't mention in your report. In the second pic some other guy is holding a muskie which you don't have permission to post a pic of. I don't get it. Also, what is that white stuff on the ground?

Why are you all making fun Mennonites? It seems like you guys aren't even particular about who you discriminate against. Damn there are some r@cist $%^%s on this board You guys really suck.

Because more energy is produced from burning the hydrogen than the electical energy used in the electrolysis to seperate the hydrogen from the H2O. That's what makes it viable. Do you have any data that proves otherwise? I would like to see it. You keep saying the same thing like a parrot, but I still don't know where you're getting your data from. Who the heck told you that it takes more energy to produce X amount of hydrogen via electrolysis than you would get from burning X amount of hydrogen???

LOL, there is already potential energy in the Hydrogen. Same as gasoline. That's why it's fuel.

I would get one but they're not commercially available for cars yet. What's up your bum anyway? lol

Who told you this? I think that you would get more energy from burning hydrogen than the amount of energy needed to produce the electrolysis reaction. In the video they stated that the flame from burning the HHO is as hot as the surface of the sun. Do you really think that you could generate that much heat from the amount of electrical current needed for electrolysis? I don't think so.

Well, that's the point... the normal everyday person should be using it. As far as the mainstream goes - Maybe, and this is just speculation, but maybe the powers that be ie big oil companies have surpressed this kind of technology to protect their own interests, but now with the internet it's becoming impossible?

You're right, you can't get hydrogen from water through electrolysis and a car can't run on hydrogen. stub·born –adjective Pertinaciously adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course; persistent; not yielding to reason, arguments, or other means; stubborn; pertinacious; -- usually implying unreasonableness.

LOL I guess so. What I don't understand is that I posted a video showing someone who has this working on his car, yet people still say that it's impossible! The US government is paying him to install this in a military Hummer, yet people on this thread still say that it's impossible! I guess the video is a fake and the fox news story is false information.

One more question... Why has the U.S. government hired him to develop a Hummer for the military that runs on water and gas if this is bunk?

OK, since everyone is saying that this doesn't work, can one of you explain how on earth this man has his car running on water? <object width="425" height="349"><param name="movie" value=" name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="349"></embed></object>

Are you being serious? If so, that would be awesome to see how you make out. You should post pictures as you go so we can see this unfold. I'm very curious about this.

Yes, it is HHO. From the video: "Kein has just patented his process of converting H2O into HHO" (through electrolysis) That's the same thing the email was talking about. I'm trying to figure out why people say it doesn't work when it obviously does, unless I'm missing something. I would try this on my own car but I have no knowledge of mechanics. I don't even do my own oil changes. lol. I'm sure there are a lot of people on here that could get this working. Whoever that person is, I'd pay them to get it installed on my car. I'm sure a lot of OFNers would also.