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You are running out of ammo my friend. I understand your frustration. :lol: :lol:

And then you woke up!!! :lol: You almost got me excited too. It's over!! Don't waste your time. I will never be convinced that you know crap!!!! Share your knowledge with some other punk!!!! I, for one, know what's up!!! Amazing how salmon get airbourne when they get a chunk of metal stuck in their side. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've seen stuff like this on the board before. At this time I'm asking for a prayer to let my friend go fast and peacefulll. Big, Tough, but it's time!!!! Loved his fishing and he dumped my boat up in the Wiarton area a couple of years ago. :lol: One of many memories we shared over the 50yrs that I've known that Fat bugger and I wasn't done with him yet but crap happens. He still owes me money!!!! :lol: I Laugh Between the Tears. God Bless You Brad.

Just curious dude(stonefly).What exactly did you research? I'd be interested in your findings. I put my faith in people that put their effort in our future. John & CRAA have done more for our fishery in my lifetime(I'm 52) than most!!!! What have you done!!! I'm Calling You Out!!! Show us where you got your expertise. Fun Wow!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As far as salmon not hitting out of aggression when they're in a river system....I did a bit of searching and I was wrong. Sorry!! So go wave your fairy wand and your 12' lead at some dirty old boots and enjoy yourself. :lol: River Stage: Once the salmon go up samll streams, they stop feeding. In a bigger river like the Nipigon River ro the Niagara River, The salmon will still feed for the first few days in the river. 99% of salmon that are caught in a small stream are snagged. People fish like they are fishing for Rainbows and just wait for the hook and line to cross the salmon's mouth which again, gives the illusion that the salmon was caught legally. But not all salmon are snagged. Salmon have nothing on their minds beside spawning. At this time, they are very aggressive and territorial and will defend their spawning ground from Rainbow and Brown Trout which tent to follow salmon up stream to feed on their eggs. If you throw a Rapala or spinner that has Rainbow or Brown Trout colours, the salmon will hit the lure. They do not hit to feed, they hit to defend. Sometimes they will also hit loud colours such as bright red or bright yellow. Once the salmon start to swim up stream, they genetically start to disintegrate. Usually by the time they finish spawning, they are almost dead. Atlantic salmon do not die after they spawn.

The Floatboard Floatfishing Headquarters * Logout [ acmarou ] * 0 new messages * FAQ * Search * Members * User Control Panel Last visit was: Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:54 pm It is currently Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:12 am View unanswered posts | View active topics View new posts | View your posts Board index » Floatfishing Main Discussion Board » Anything and Everything Floatfishing All times are UTC - 5 hours Chinooks in the Great Lakes Moderators: Chris K, Bill Shearer, chromer, Chong, Dread, SkeinMachine, Administration Post new topic Reply to topic Page 1 of 1 [ 12 posts ] Subscribe topic | Bookmark topic | Print view | E-mail friend Previous topic | Next topic Author Message Waterloo Angler Post subject: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:19 pm Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:13 pm Posts: 7 What would happen if the MNR stopped stocking chinooks in the Great Lakes? I know the natural reproduction is very limited, so I was thinking they'd be gone in maybe.....10.....12 years? What do you think?.....there are smarter people on this board than me. I'm mainly a Lake O. angler, so I don't know as much about natural reproduction in the other lakes. Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Bof Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:55 am Offline Site Admin User avatar Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:50 pm Posts: 514 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada Actually...the MNR does not stock any Chinook Salmon and the only Pacific Salmon that are stocked in Ontario are done so by clubs and organizations. The pacific salmon fishery on our side great lakes is currently made up of an average of somewhere in the hood of 70-80% natural reproduction or more depending on where you are. So what would happen if the MNR stopped stocking Chinook...well, exactly what's out there now! _________________ Go Big Or Get Off The Water Image http://www.twistedandaddicted.com Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote John from CRAA Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:41 pm Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:43 pm Posts: 84 Location: Streetsville, ON Chris (aka chromerman) has some great info on Lake Huron and Gbay stats. I beleive he said 92% of Gbay chinook were wild based on creel and clip studies. There are mixed reports on Lake Ontario. One study estimated 70% wild, another only 20% wild. Based on the level of adipose clipped shakers I've seen it looks like more than half wild (but this is preliminary). In a couple years when all chinook age groups have the adipose clip we will know for sure. My guess - 50-70% wild chinooks, with eastern GTA tribs at 90% plus wild since they have no direct stocking. The bottom line is chinooks are reproducing in most Ontario tribs and doing very well. Give the fish half a chance and they will surprise all of us! John _________________ President and Chair, Credit River Anglers Association "Give a little back to the resource we all love" Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Waterloo Angler Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:05 pm Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:13 pm Posts: 7 Wow, things are much better than I thought they were. Thanks for the responses. I'm looking forward to getting out pier chucking soon. Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote kosta Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:27 am Offline Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:27 am Posts: 125 Location: Vaughan, ON ...just curious What are the reports on returning Pacific Salmon numbers to GL tributaties, north shore L.O. for example? Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Bof Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:44 am Offline Site Admin User avatar Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:50 pm Posts: 514 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada Just an FYI - Yesterday I completed an assessment in the extreme headwater of a small GL's tributary. The assessment was done to determine the success of this springs steelhead spawn however it is a stream used by all migratories. First off...the reason for the assessment was the stretch had recently been rehabed from a pond type area into a meandering stream section built specifically for spawning migratories. I saw numbers of larval steelhead in the rehabed section I never thought possible...rehab and stream enhancement WORKS. Secondly and more importantly to this thread...we also noted that not one juvenille chinook was captured however there was a HEAVY population of Juvenille coho. Conclusion...the Chinook fishery might be faltering here and there but the Coho population seems to be doing extremely well. Here is a picture of a yearling Coho taken yesterday. Image _________________ Go Big Or Get Off The Water Image http://www.twistedandaddicted.com Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote John from CRAA Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:59 am Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:43 pm Posts: 84 Location: Streetsville, ON Cool info Bof. Amazing what some stream rehab can do. If you build it (or rehab it) they will come! Down this way the vast majority of chinook parr leave the system in May of the same year they are born. However some fall chinook parr and yearling chinook have been appearing more in eastern tribs in recent years. And I have heard numbers of yearling chinook have been found in past years on southern Gbay tribs (Chris A can add to that). The chinooks seem to be making some adaptive changes in some systems. I have not heard anything from the north shore for life history. Was that stream near your favourite steelie stream close to home? John _________________ President and Chair, Credit River Anglers Association "Give a little back to the resource we all love" Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote chromerman Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:09 pm Offline Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:28 pm Posts: 86 Sorry guys been in the Peg for the last week so have not been on here. Ok for Georgian Bay the number is 92% wild and 75% on Lake Huron. This is based on 100% marked fish fin clipping in Ontario and chemical marking in Michigan. Interesting thing about this is that it is from both the US and the Cdn side combined. The release sites in Michigan which are places like Jordan Harbour had high (90%+) hatchery markings. These sites don't have the ability to produce fish, but the boats leaving those ports were returning with 75% unmarked fish. Meaning that most of the fish in the lake had to be hatchery. Sample size on the Notty was 161 fish all wild. Now in Lake Ontario those rivers have clouds of juvenile chinnys but I don't know if fish moving out a month after hatching contribute to the population. I was doing electro shocking on the Pine in October and for every juvenile steelie we got 10 juvenile nooks meaning they were spending at least 6 months in the river. My guess is if you stopped stocking you might see an impact in the west end but nothing out east. Chris Atkinson aka Chromerman Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Boyd Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:24 pm Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:54 pm Posts: 319 Location: Springwater Township Pine's still pumping out nooks in numbers despite small returns from the lake 8) Anyone know what the deal is with those nooks with a yellow spot on em in G-Bay? Heard it was a hatchery marking from Michigan and was wondering if anyone has any info. Peace. Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Mykiss7 Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 pm Offline Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:05 pm Posts: 11 Location: Thunder Bay In Canadian waters of Lake Superior close to 100 % of adult chinook salmon are now wild with close to 40 years of natural selection (introduced from the Pacific Northwest in 1969). They have developed local adaptations based on environmental characteristics of their home tributary and the big lake. Stocking on top of existing wild populations decreases fitness and survival of these established populations. If we constructively manage habitat and exploitation chinook and other salmonids will support a wonderful and diversified sport fishery. Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote chromerman Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:45 pm Offline Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:28 pm Posts: 86 Boyd according to the LHMU that yellow dot is not a hatchery marking but some sort of genetic anomolie. We took the fish that had the mark and checked them and there was no correlation between the dot and the chemical marker from Michigan. Weird eh? CM Report this post Top Profile Send private message Reply with quote Boyd Post subject: Re: Chinooks in the Great Lakes PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:45 am Offline Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:54 pm Posts: 319 Location: Springwater Township Weird for sure but good to know. Thanks Fish with that dot seem to be a different strain than most of our wild nooks here and are generally bigger. Won't be long now with amount of water on the move 8) Peace.

Majority of age-3 Chinook salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha) in Lake Ontario were wild from 1992 to 2005, based on scale pattern analysis Journal of Great Lakes Research Article In Press Michael J. Connerton, Brent A. Murry, Neil H. Ringler, Donald J. Stewart Abstract Stocking of hatchery-raised Chinook salmon has been the principal tool utilized by fishery managers for controlling alewives in Lake Ontario and elsewhere in the Great Lakes. Stocked Chinook salmon are also often viewed by anglers as the principal source of maintaining catch rates. Stocking levels are often controversial and set with limited information about the relative contribution of wild fish to lake-wide populations. Recent research documenting large numbers of age-0 fish in tributaries suggested that wild reproduction was increasing and greater than previously thought. Estimating the contribution of wild Chinook salmon is imperative for successful management of this economically important recreational fishery. To differentiate wild from hatchery-derived Chinook salmon, we developed and validated a classification rule from scale pattern analysis of known-origin fish that was based on the area of the scale focus and the distance between the scale focus and the first circulus. We used this technique to determine the annual proportion of angler-caught, age-3 wild Chinook salmon in Lake Ontario from 1992 to 2005. On average over 14 years, the annual proportion of wild age-3 Chinook salmon was 62% (± 13.6%, 95% CI), but has varied between 24% (± 9.4%) and 82% (± 11.2%). Wild fish have been a high proportion of the Chinook salmon population in Lake Ontario since the late 1980s throughout a period when the lake underwent considerable changes, suggesting that wild and hatchery-origin Chinook salmon are both important components for managing the predator–prey dynamics in Lake Ontario and maintaining angler catch rates.

Not a problem, as long as it's legal and you're not on my boat. I don't condone it though. Go Nuts Man!!

Wow!!!! A question like this asked on a fishing site??? Not sure if he got the tongue and cheek responses. :lol: Like others said, use spoons, spinners at rivermouths, but once they stay in a trib, leave them alone to spawn. Any idiot can line a fish. Once they enter the river they don't eat. Anyone that tells you they hit out of aggression when they are in a trib has no clue. That's a liner that felt a good hit in his mind. The only thing they're interested in is getting to where they have to be to reproduce. I used to think the salmon fishery here on the north shore of L.O. was a put and take fishery but the Pacific Salmon are doing just fine on their own here. Fish for them near river mouths for now and after the slaughter is over, fish for Steelhead. Done for now!!!! Cheers

Calculus, Physics and Balls.

Don't do it!!! I looked at the original post and started laughing. Sorry man, but what are you going to do with it,stick it in your pocket??

I fish a small, shallow lake(deepest point is 12ft) for smallmouth and found that what GCD holds true. In a steady rain they hit my xraps. When the wind and chop picked up tubes worked best. When I used live bait, it made no difference.

Are you sure that's not Humber Bay Park West?? I don't know of a launch on the east side.

Wow!! I thought carp got wise over time. He was caught 63 times?? I guess he was as stupid as he was big. Hey, there are plenty of guys here with writing skills. Anyone want to do a eulogy. :lol: :lol:

We all pay in the end for the stupidity of others and the greed of insurance companies. Insurance rates rise regargless of others moronic moves. I'm getting kinda tired of paying for idiots.

clutch bearing

I live on the 9th floor of a condo. Been here for a couple of yrs now and have never had a problem with any birds before. These suckers sound like every bird imaginable by day and even make noise at night. At first I thought some idiot bought some contraption to piss everyone off. Since then I've seen these dark birds with long tails and white bands on their wings hopping up and down on the hydro poles. Ya, I know it sounds like too many beers or something from the X files but I'm at my wits end with these things. I spoke to a friend that knows a bit about birds and he said they could be magpies but I don't think they're supposed to be in the Lansdown & Bloor area. Any birders out there before I load up the 22.??? Thanks in advance.

After going through all the posts, I feel better. I'm not the biggest loser. Marion Hossa is. :lol: What are the chances of him asking to be traded back to Pittsburgh? :lol: Cheers All! Oh Ya, the bite was on for carp, but I'm bored. Bass opener can't come soon enough.

Thank God I started drinking at 3pm. It softened the blow. :lol: Congrats to the young guns. I guess I'll go fishing now and on my way home I'll stop in and pay my debt. <_< Go Leafs Go!!! :lol: And no cracks about being a loser Please!!! :lol:

I got my beer earlier today, got my bait for tomorrow. The only thing I forgot was champagne for the celebration after THE BIG RED MACHINE wins me my bet. I'm SO looking forward to this game!!!!! I gotta say though, if I hadn't bet Detroit before the playoffs started , I'd be hoping Pittsburgh would win it. GAME 7-STANLEY CUP FINAL LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy the game!!

You got that right Stoty!!!

Carp fishing or Work? HHMMM. Carp fishing or Work?HHHMMM Carp fishing or Carp fishing? HHHMMM. OK. Carp fishing it is. :D

Good for you man!! As for the bass, it can't be helped. I've fished the Credit for years(targeting dropbacks) in the spring and those smallies will hit anything.

Everybody has been saying Detroit is too old since the mid 90's. :lol: I still think the old boys will come through in the end. Cheers

My Boys lost this one. A hard fought battle. I think the old farts will come back and do some damage. The young guns better start praying cuz they'll need it. Thoz old buggers aint happy and watch what happens next game. cheers