jedimaster

Its no different that the NHL negotiation. Start with something ridiculas expecting you will get less. They have asked for what looks like almost half of algonquin park.

I would think there will be blockades setup at all of the red and purple splotches on the maps. Enter and you will be beaten by the natives until the government caves in, just like in caledonia. There is already strong precident for this.

That second time that they ask , before you get your gun, will prove if you are, drunk, mad as hell at something, suicidal, or became crazy after you got your permit. If you mean no harm a couple of questions would weed it out. ps. I own many guns and a PAL, I am NOT anti gun.

I don't think a couple of questions would weed out anything. I think that you are under the false presumption that when people are depressed or gone crazy look or sound different. There are some very subtle cues that are very difficult to pick up on. A crazy person isn't going to say they are crazy if you ask them.

No, a centralized weapons cache is silly (You are more then welcome to quote me where I said it was a good idea) I would never support something like that. To be honest, I like things exactly the way they are right now.

My comments were a response to a comment about creating a weapons cache and my reasons for not wanting one. Your reasons may be different than mine. I wouldn't call you crazy for not wanting one or for the reasons that you have one.

When you're in the %0.00001 that needs to have a firearm strapped to his side 24/7 in order to feel safe, who's the odd man out?

 

Fear mongering at it's finest.

Sounds to me like you are are saying only %.000001 of the population has reason to want to protect there homes. There is no fear mongering, and I know exactly where I am in fact I stated in my response that in the US people are allowed and that in Canada your not. I do support the use of firearms as protection in Canada. I would not support the use of a centralized weapons cache for that very reason.

Do you actually believe that all firearms would be stored in such a weapons cache? Do you actually think that the government would be able to fund such a facility where the people would be questioned each time they go to get one out for cleaning, maintenance, range use, just to look at, to go hunting, to take pictures of to trade or sell etc...

Some anti's do own guns. Those people are considered hypocrites by many. Why don't you lead the charge and take your new gun and go store it at a gun club, then go give the key to your locker to a third party and pay them to question you if you want to gain access to it.

Protect against what? All these frequent break-ins and rapes that you've inventing to somehow prove your point? Where's the epidemic? When you're in the %0.00001 that needs to have a firearm strapped to his side 24/7 in order to feel safe, who's the odd man out?

 

Fear mongering at it's finest.

Who is fear mongering? I think people should be allowed to keep guns in there houses for the means of protection. Does it happen often? No. But it happens more often than mass shootings do. In Canada your right to bear arms in protection is an extremely slippery legal slope. Something that I feel should change. In the US it is legal to do such a thing. Two of my co workers recently had there houses broken into while they were home. Both are now seeking out getting there firearms licenses and are learning about firearms. I would suggest to you that until you have something happen to you that you should keep your own fear mongering and name calling to yourself. You don't know my life's history nor do you even know me in person.

Where exactly are you getting your facts of %.000001 of people that have been threatened in there own homes? That is pure falsehood and lies. Something that anti gun people are good at. Instead of looking at actual fact they tend to just make it up to suit there own emotional needs.

You're out of your mind.

That sounds like sensationalism to me. Why am I out of my mind? Is it because I think people should be allowed to protect themselves and there homes if the situation should arise?

And saying that people will choose to cower in the corner and crap there pants instead of stand up and fight back isn't sensationalism? That is what I was responding to.

As for my second statement, that is not sensationalism that is fact and happens frequently, even here in Canada, people have had to resort to the use of firearms to protect there house and family.

How about all guns kept locked in a central location, where you sign them out each time, after a few questions to make sure you are "of sound mind".

Like, perhaps, Hi someone broke into my house and is raping my wife so I would like to get my gun out of the locker so I can go home and defend my house and family.... Those sort of questions and answers?

Truth be told, if someone started shooting most of them would forget they had a weapon, they would be too busy crapping their pants and crying. Most of them think they are carrying it in case they need to use it, when actually they are carrying it as a security blanket. And a blanket won't stop a bullet.

I dare you to ask the families of the 6 adults that lunged in the way of bullets to protect the children if they would have rather they had a firearm that they could have used instead of there bodies. Not everyone will choose to cower in the corner.

You say you are not against gun ownership, so what is it that you are offering as a possible step towards a solution? Are you suggesting that people only be allowed to own muzzle loaders? Are you saying there should be a gun registry? The firearms used were stolen. They were not his. Even if they were registered how would that have prevented anything from happening? Criminals don't use registered guns and people that go crazy don't care if a gun is registered, or is leagal. Legeislation on guns can't prevent crazy people and criminals from killing people.

I will when I see endless numbers of cars being driven into schools killing kids.

HH

In 2009 there were 12,000 gun murders

In 2009 there were 10,839 deaths in the US by drunk drivers alone

In 2009 there were 33,808 deaths in the US by car

Better get a sticker on you steering wheel, and ban alcohol. Make driving drunk illegal, oh wait it already is. The point is, by making something illegal you don't stop it from happening.

Some stats to be more specific...

268 deaths by a firearm in in 2009 in the US to children under the age 14

704 deaths by drowning in 2009 in the US to children under the age 14

3215 deaths by transport and motor vehicle in 2009 to children under the age of 14

Why not ban all swimming pools and put fences aroung every lake, pond, ocean and stream?

Why not Ban all vehicles?

How many motor boat deaths were there?

Why not ban motor boats?

What about canoes?

Lets ban those as I am sure people have died falling out of canoes.

What about tigers and elephants, lets kill all of those because they have killed people too.

What about ropes? People use those to kill themselves, lets ban ropes.

Actually I think its safer if everyone just lives in there houses, locked up in bullet proof and bomb proof dungeons and then they just control robots to live there lives outside.

I am certainly not trying to minimalize the tragedy that happened but a kneejerk reaction like lets ban some guns is just ridiculas.

The reality is a guy went bonkers, stole some guns(I though he bought them but that report on the news turned out to be false) and shot a bunch of kids. So very sad, but banning guns isn't going to stop gun violence and it isn't going to stop people from being killed, and it isn't going to make people feel safer. In fact in Australia since the banned all semi auto's the stats on safety have gone down. People feel less safe now than they did before semi's weere banned.

In canada an ar15 is able to be owned however the magazines must be pinned so they can only hold 5rounds if its a .223 magazine and a 10rounds if it has been adapted to shoot pistol rounds.

Things to consider hear. What is it exactly people have an issue with the ar15?

The bullet? Well a.223 or 5.56 nato is certainly no more dangerous than any other bullet out there in common use and is in fact very tame in comparison.

Is it the capacity? Extended 30 round magazines are commonly available for many semi automatic rifles out there.

If ar15's were banned and literally wiped off the face of the planet people would just buy or make extended magazines for other guns.

I am not saying nothing should be done but whatever is done shouldn't be directed towards an object that in reality is no more dangerous than any other firearm. I mean what if he used a pump shotgun with buckshot that used a magazine? I think more would have been killed.

Perhaps its just the looks of the ar15 that scares people. Canada has a scary gun list and what has that done to prevent mass shootings here? They don't happen as often heard as in the states but they never have.

Lets say you ban ar15 rifles. People will just use remington or ruger semi auto.

What if you ban semi auto rifles. People will use pump action rifles and shotguns

What if you ban high capacity magazines? People will just make them or modify them.

The point isn't to do nothing its that making changes like this is worse than doing nothing. Its putting false security into peoples heads. Do something useful. It sounded like Obama is going to do something. I watched the entire memorial last night and he certainly indicated changes must be made. Hopefully its something that will actually make a difference.

Hey .... We still have a chance.

X2 great game by the fins today... albeit against a crap team.

No laws will prevent people from going crazy and getting there hands of a gun. Guns will be part of this world until a more effective weapon gets invented. Make them illegal and the same crazy people and criminals will be the ones buying and selling them illegally. People need to be able to protect themselves. And to respond to the question above yes this school is on an area that is a gun free zone as in noone can legally carry a gun. Well who wasn't xarrying a gun? The heroes that were throwing there flesh and bones in front of the maniac that was illegally carrying guns.

The army Major that shot a bunch of people on an American military base a year ago didn't seem to concerned about it.

Army shooting army is a very different situation, and I think the guy that did that was islamic. Fort hood wasn't it in 09? Its a generality yes but I actually think it would actually make people think twice and if not then at least someone would have a fighting chance to defend themselves and the kids. Teachers were throwing themselves in front of bullets. Kids were shot through there hands trying to hide from the bullets.

I mean lets be realistic, the americans aren't going to go the route of banning all guns, or even hand guns, or even semi auto's. Something realistic that might help would to have a cop in every school on a random rotation, or armed staff etc... What is the solution? I have no idea, but something should be done. I can almost bet my last dollar that the US is not going to ban guns.

Just to be clear an ar15 is a non military weapon. It is not used by any military force. It is a civilian adapted semi automatic rifle made to look like the military m16. The automatic assault rifle version doesn't share common firing components and an ar15 by design cant be converted to one. It does shoot nato rounds though but many other rifles also shoot that round. Those round are relatively tame and are in fact designed to wound and not kill. A 30-06 semi auto like a a common remington hunting rifle or a semi auto shotgun. I really hate to see people put the blame on a rifle type that is less dangerous than a common hunting firearm.

I do think that there was a clear failure in the systems already put in place to prevent these things. Doors too easy to break into, a mentally unstable person that was supposed to be prohibited from purchasing firearms was allowed to purchase them etc... there are a lot of things to look but as many have said the reality is that this derranged person and any other motivated, funded and determined person will and can get there hands on firearms to commit such terrible acts. Even in australia where they banned all semi automatic rifles and shotguns as well as all handguns still allow handguns of 22 calibre if you belong to and shoot at a range. They bought them back from the public and destroyed them. There is also now a huge infestation of illegal trafficking of firearms in Australia. There is no easy solution to this issue. One of the things I keep hearing is having all of the princicpals keep a locked up gun so they have some ability to try and defend themselves and the students. Now this may seem extreme, but it has been proven that people don't commit mass shootings in places where they know people have weapons to defend themselves.

Perhaps they need to have rotating undercover cops patrol schools so that everyone knows its possible an armed cop is in the school. That might make people think twice.

Was almost 54-17 if not for the flags. Buffalo can have the bills back we have enough loser teams up here.

Apparently he was not buzzed into the school by the principle as was previously reported, the report from the sheriff is that he forced his way into the school.

You can't possible protect everyone and prevent bad things from happening. How far is too far? Armed officer's at every school? What about banning all guns? What about arming the teachers? What about closing down all the schools and do E-learning for everyone.

Legislation can't prevent people from going off the cliff and killing people. What is the fine line of enough prevention and enough protection but not so much that its out of control. Is there such a thing as too much or too far when protection is the goal?

Everyone is going to be clamoring for answers over the next little while but the cold hard fact is the guy flipped his lid and fortunately he is now dead.

So sad, so tragic.

All classrooms have a lock on the doors it won't be long before they are all locked from the inside during classes.

So I filled up at 111.9 today... then got back to toronto and its 119... what the hell is going on here.Why is gas so cheap compared in peterborough compare to toronto?

If the ice is 1.5 inches where you measure who is to say its not 1" think 3 feet away from there. If I drilled a hole and it was 2" I would be hightailing it off the ice haha

May end up putting more pressure on the lakers. Great to hear about the bass extended season.

Some of the deeper spots have wet spots, springs on shore and around some stumps are wet. Looks like good ice coverage across all areas. This is paudash...

From the highway north of youngs point... omw bow hunting.

Case in point, just out of curiosity, I just went to ticketmaster, I can get a pair of Row EE platinum seats in the section beside the corner(mid faceoff dot area I think).... Even without another competitive market that pair is only 86 bucks and available readily a week before puck drop. There is NO NHL right now, and people aren't even willing to pack the house with lower bowl tickets for a 10th of the price as the NHL, and 10 billion times the availability.