manitoubass2

huh? i went to a catholic highschool and IIRC, each native was paid ($40 weekly or monthly?) by the government if they had good attendance and uniforms were also covered every year, which weren't exactly cheap. my parents didn't get any help with the $1000 or so it cost for my uniform for 4 years?

 

two of my buddies (one is 1/4 and the other is 1/2 native) are currently in school for nursing and neither one has paid anything out of pocket. actually, one of them spent over a year in school to become a cop and dropped out he simply changed his mind. why not, it's free?

 

 

 

treat everyone as equals and get it over with already

The moneys paid to bands is part of their agreement. Those moneys goes towards basically everything a civilization has, health care, education, social assistance etc. Natives do not pay out of pocket, because the band allocates a certain amount of what they have received to fund their members education.

So in one essence, yes, it seems as if they are receiving free education. But on the other hand, it's being drawn out of funds from other areas. So it IS AT A COST, just not from your monetary viewpoint.

But many bands have tons of requirements to get assistance attending school. Here, drug testing is required frequently, you must be in good financial standing ie. have your rent paid up to date, etc.

I'm not speaking on behalf of every band though, I know, just like everything else, there are good and bad.

But before everyone spouts off about taxes for the umpteenth time, remember, its an agreement made through the Queen, GG, and the Canadian government. Whether you agree or not. And somebody in this thread made an awesome point in regards to taxes...

IF IT WAS FUNDED SOLELY ON TAX DOLLARS, AND THAT WAS REMOVED, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU WOULD PAY LESS TAXES?

Thanks for posting that bushart, much appreciated.

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I can tell you.what I lived through in Caledonia.... War upon Canadian citizens, racial based policing... Our government is afraid of the natives....the hennings made a fortune building only one house... Occupied by natives...... The government paid them out 22 million... Arrested law abiding (white) citizens and Allowed the natives to run amok.. . There were TWO sets of laws.... One for white one for native.... I could go into a lot further detail... But I would rather not see this thread derail.... But I will say this much... All the natives care about is the $$$$ and could give two craps about the land. G.

The government has done much, much worse to indigenous people. That was a result of years of abuse and frustration. Unfortunately, that happens.

If you look at the grand scope of issues, you can understand that people break, and horrible things can happen.

All the more reason to understand, on both sides, move forward and stop pointing fingers at each other. The real people at fault here are those in charge, and everyone needs to realize that to move on.

This is not Canadians vrs. Natives, it's people against crimes of humanity and the ecosystem

When people fail to realize this, they are ignorantly perpetuating the separation of the two.

I only posted what my local news stories for the day were manitoubass. These were not my opinions. This might surprise you, but I share my bed every night with a beautiful, full fledged, card carrying first nations lady. She's very involved with her reservations political doings. And I'm very proud of her for that.

 

"the media is focusing on alot of negative things to keep you believing Natives are your enemy"

 

Sorry Dude. That simply doesn't apply to me.

I wasnt directing any negative energy at you DanC, just stating there was an interesting story behind what happend in Fort Frances.

Irishfield, thats a much better post, and I can understand it in a different light than the other post.

We all do bad things and things that aren't agreeable with everyone. But I truly believe this movement is a chance for the past to be set aside, and a way for all Canadians to understand each other, help each other, and most importantly, protect our lands/environment. The way things are going, nobody can justify the actions we have taken or allowed to happen to our lands/resources.

We need to protect life

Again, thanks irishfield for the clarification and I apologize for taking that the wrong way

There is a story behind the Fort Frances issue. (DanC, its kinda comical in a messed up way. Glad everyone is alright though)

And yes, the media is focusing on alot of negative things to keep you believing Natives are your enemy, and not Stephen Harper. (ie The Sun News, if you wanna balance it out, at least check out APTN)

Remember, Natives are evil people that live for free. Everyone else is a saint, lol.

And taxes pay for everything!

Seriously, I'm shocked at alot of the comments in this thread. A fishing site, where little to nobody has mentioned anything in relation to the protection of the earth.

Free money this, taxes that, education this.

Yet nearly every comment is uneducated, and ignorance at best.

Irishfield, perhaps we should chat sometime via pm, and see if we can understand each others viewpoints better. Cause your post in regards to me "breeding a football team" and " sorry, I was at work" replies are seriously offensive given the objective of this thread.

But you spent $325,000 on education and your calling me out? That was your decision to pay that for your children, it has nothing at all to do with me personally. At least I can't make the correlation?

Sorry.. I'm a little behind here, I had to work!

 

You'll be changing that tune and keeping your mouth closed when that football team you're breeding starts going to Post Secondary to become Doctors and Lawyers. Yours are all going to go to College or University for free, if they so chose, and you won't be forking out $100,000 per child like I did because they didn't qualify for OSAP! My mother always gave me an evil eye..... the numerous times my kids where burning thru $20 grand a year in University to a finally tally of $325,000 as of last week.... and I kept asking her, "are you sure... Gramma never had a native over in the cold North of Gooderham..., not even one night... so I can claim status"?

 

Now that said... for anyone that wants to get on a level playing field.. .go get your Teachers degree or become a professor... all their kids get to attend the institution they teach at for FREE as well, on the tax payers backs. A much kept quiet secret that I didn't learn about until I witnessed a whole slew of staff handing there own kids diplomas/degrees at Ryerson graduation ceremonies!

 

I'd also like to ask those that live on the reserves... is anyone actually keeping you there, in what people are complaining are appauling circumstances? Is it the fact that purchase and earned income are non-taxable that keeps folks there, or is it the lack of desire to advance into regular society. We have a few here, on the board, that have broken that barrier and I applaud them.

Alot of assumptions in this thread, hmmmm...

Nice and warm here Simon! at least according to that other thread, hahahaha.

She is making nice ice!!!! brrrr.

Then they shoud shut down some highways and rail lines and disrupt peoples lives in Great Britain...

I prefer to think of it as "rent to own"... and I've paid a lot of rent over the years.

HH

Think however you wish, but your thoughts are not law nor are they what was signed in the treaties.

The rallies are all over the world, lol, not just in Canada

Canadian government does not deny anyone in this country the right to appropriate housing, food and clean water, education and autonomy. Giving billions of dollars isnt enough now? The natives (that are protesting)dont like the laws and rules of Canadian government, yet they keep holding out their hands and expecting everything handed to them. They are given the money to be able to have the same things as the rest of Canadians concerning quality of life. Idle No More.... Terrible choice of words. Still Idle, and still holding out their hands.

These decisions in regards to the land and finances has much more to do with the Queen and the Governor General.

Canada is not just forking out a whole bunch of money to appease Natives, there essentially renting the land. And guess who it was drafted by?

Your mad at the wrong people...

I'd like to add more to this, but I'll give it some time. Twocoda has done a marvelous job of presenting facts and Is to be applauded for understanding the issues without bias.

But first, a few more points to ponder in regards to Aboriginals and the land. Some of the examples being given are not being viewed as an overall picture, but rather pointing out one extreme to the next. Not all Natives live their lives by the 7 teachings, just like not all whites are catholic. So in areas where the people are not following the 7 teachings, plus other factors, you may see reservations with absolute horrid living conditions, no jobs and the like. But you will also see reserves that are thriving, and following the 7 teachings as best they can. Take this into consideration.

Also, many reserves are in horrible situations because of assimilation and the mental, long term effects these conditions. Just step back and think about the mental/physical and psychological toll many of these horrible situations have had on indigenious peoples. It's not like Natives have drinking or drug issues just because. It's because many of them are damaged and can't cope with the situations that were put upon them.

Hey manitou,

 

You want to talk about environment.........how bout i post a video of the tire burning, the hydro station burning, the car burning here in Caledonia we had to endure, You have no clue whatsoever

the thing is your lumping two seperate events together when this is obviously not Caledonia.

and if those are your examples of harming the environment, keep searching for more. Our Government allows corporations to harm the environment on a grand scale each and every day.

You will not see the majority of First Nations people performing, or condoning such acts.

I will say I have some reading to do, because I am not aware of the events in Caledonia. I will take a look as time allows, never a bad thing to learn!

That is funny because a good friend of mine went to Trent University for free so was his schooling at Fleming college.

Money is allocated from what the bands receive as per the treaty negotiations etc. So education takes up a pretty big percentage of the overall monies a band has to operate with.

That my friend, is not "free schooling"

A persons rights end, when they impinge, on the rights of others.

You should say that to the Government perhaps?

Here is a link with some information. Whether you believe in the cause or not, it's a good place to read and see the viewpoints of the protesters.

http://idlenomore.ca/

There is usually links for any days events in North America so you can re route if you need to...

Hey buddy,

 

If your not native you go close the bridge down and see how long you last. If your native you can squat as long as you like with OPP protection. Give your head a shake........

 

We put up with enogh of this in Caledonia, time for the people to do their jobs and clear them out.

Why give my head a shake?

There was 3 blockades near my house yesterday alone. I've spoken with officers at the rallies, and never had an issue. The police are being informed before these rallies happen, so they can react accordingly.

And to those worries about certain routes being blocked, most of that can be fixed with a quick google search to see where rallies are being held.

Many Natives pay taxes just like everyone else. Bands are given a lump sump of money by the government to be divided amongst all of First Nations. Sounds like alot, but not so much when divided up.

Natives DO NOT get free schooling. And what they do receive is far less then average in this country.

Moneys payed to bands in this country are AS PER THE NEGOTIATED TREATY RIGHTS.

A huge part of this movement is environmental concern, another part is for the Canadian government to respect and honour the negotiated treaty rights of indigenous people. Also to be included in these types of decisions

Never mind... Need to know more about the issues at hand

Always good to be informed!

Feel free to ask me any questions if ya have any for me, or looking for sources

Misinformation is causing more issues in this country then #INM

Wayne your daughter will not even notice a loss of her pay for the time she was in convenience by the blockade but the government WILL notice the loss of revenue they collect off her cheque....any longer then 4 hours of loss /40hr wk then she will notice.....The only way to get the attention of the PM is to get the people aware of what truly is going on. Then once they/we all realize the entire situation then we can either complain or support the revolution.....personally ...i support it and stand in solidarity with Idle No More issues( protecting our waterways and resources) as well as Chief Theresa Spences issues of not living in third world conditions in one of the richest countrys in the world....

much respect...

same to a few others here for realizing the real issues at hand

In protest, you have to draw attention. When money controls everything, well, you basically disrupt the flow to have your issues addressed.

I must say I'm saddened by a few of these comments.

Out of any board, I would expect this one to be concerned and thoroughly active on issues regarding the environment.

Sorry your daughter was late to work irishfield.

Much bigger concerns here if you look at the bigger picture.

Just because some have no need to go to work.... doesn't mean they have the right to make my daughter late for same this morning!

Just what are you implying here?

I think the double standard is ridiculous. Government and OPP are deathly afraid that someone might get hurt or killed if they step in and do their job. Its getting out of hand, and its only going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

All the police, both O.P.P. and Treaty Three have been awesome in our area. So I'm not sure where your getting your info about the police and government being deathly afraid?

This is very well put, I'd incourage you to watch it

Just what is the double standard you are referring too? Its my understanding that every Canadian has a right to protest peacefully.

A minor inconvenience is just that, and considerably more enjoyable then some things indigenous people have suffered through because of the Canadian Government.

I applaud the movement and it's cause.

I also think it's a great way to voice our concerns over these omnibus legislations and the protection, or lacktherof, of nature in this country.

But I do respect your right to disagree if you so choose

Holy jeeze Mike!!!! That pic is crazy like!

Sounds like a great day!

bwahahahahaha

We have 8 or so right near are house. There everywhere in out little area of NW Ontario.

They do hunt and they do scavenge.

Very beautiful birds, I enjoy watching them.

Destroying a nest doesn't sit easy with me

Sweet catches!!!

Nothing wrong with that!