Sterling

 

That site has some cool videos! Gobies raiding a bed within 34 seconds of a bass pulled off it?

I'm watching all their videos. So cool. They have evidence showing that fish learn from being caught & released. That's hilarious!

Always thought sticklebacks were an invasive species and not allowed as bait. Did some research and guess I'm wrong.

Pretty disappointing that a vendor would sell sticklebacks though.

crap answer. Park access will be free for a year, fees will stay increased forever.

Welcome aboard Chad,

While this thread is getting attention, I should point out a flaw in the board that I brought up in June 2015 here: http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79315

After some additional research I can say with confidence this is a major problem. As in, possibly/partially responsible for a major loss in traffic.

In the forum header is an "ad container" called ipsAd. This container is used for, you guessed it, ads. Clearly defining where ads are located on a web page helps search engines locate content. Notably in this case, it helps AdBlockers locate ads. AdBlockers are on pretty much every machine these days, and even come native in some browsers like Firefox and Safari.

In April of 2015, the ipsAd container was expanded to contain the entire forum root, ie; all of the content. I'm not sure why this was done, whether intentional or not. Perhaps it was done to prevent people with adblockers from viewing content. Either way it's a huge no-no.

Take a look at the site snapshot from March 25, 2015; http://web.archive.org/web/20150325095208/http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums

All of the content is viewable.

Now look at April 8th, 2015: http://web.archive.org/web/20150408125844/http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/

All of the content became hidden at this exact point.

If you go to the yearly summary for the site in the year 2015, you'll notice that after this change occurred, WayBack engine stopped recording frequent snapshots of the site. That's because it recorded little to no changes in the snapshot. This in itself is a problem because crawlers started perceiving the site as stagnant and may have stopped indexing content as well. I'm positive that at this point, site ranking took a hit.

http://web.archive.org/web/20150315000000*/http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums

Google is not seeing the content either, if you look at cache; http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KQFj2U-uqCIJ:ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/index.php%3Fshowforum%3D2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Luckily it appears to be indexing content just fine.

Site traffic corroborates this theory; from April to December 2015, first-time visits dropped 50%, as did unique visits. There is a seasonal drop every year in this period of about 30%, so one might conclude the change resulted in a net traffic loss of 20%. As expected, returning visits were not affected as much, as these users know to turn off ad blockers in order to view content.

I hope I'm overreacting, but these don't seem like coincidences to me. This is an easy fix that should be #1 priority!

 

Being the owner of a large forum myself, I understand the need for ads to keep the site alive. But my company enforces the use of ad blocker and I can't remove it. I can easily whitelist the site in my ad blocker settings though (which I've done), but others may not know how to do this.

 

I did find your problem upon inspecting the forum code though. The entire content is nested within the ipsad container, which is meant for ads. Adblocker will block anything found within this container. Simply move it out of that container (or rename it) and the problem will go away. See image below;

 

Size of engine? Looks like a great deal to me.

Not sure if this belongs in classified section... but my old man is looking to rent a boat from June 7th-13th. North Bay area (will travel a bit if needed).

Beat up tinner is fine, so long as the trailer and motor are reliable. 14-16ft preferable.

He plans on taking it 885km north and back.

Thanks!

Isn't everything 25% more to begin with? Always found that store pretty expensive.

How deep is the lake?

The locals say there is lakers in there or that's the first one they've seen?

Do they charge you to fish the lake? Lol

 

I find the spring lake trout fishing easier/ better about 3 weeks after ice out when the water's warmer, say in the 50's. If the water's cold, in the 30's, they are often deep, scattered and not very active.

Over 100ft deep on the west side. And about 80ft deep in the center. There are shallow bays where we fish strictly for walleye. In fact most of our fishing was done in these bays, I believe this is why we never hooked onto a laker (assuming they're populous in the lake).

The locals said there are lakers after I inquired about the big one.

Is the lake surrounded by treaty land?

 

That's the only way you'd need permission to park there.

Yes, the Weh-Sees-Indohoun. You can camp all you want in the area. In several northern Quebec zones you are required to "right of access" (Droit D'acces) for fishing though.

Me thinks your strategy to go after Trout in a lake not known to hold them is an exercise in frustration. That big Laker might have taken a wrong turn and ended up in a no Trout lake. Why do you want to punish yourself because you saw 1 solitary Trout in 18 years? I think the biggest info is the locals don't fish for them, ask yourself why? The Family has fished a smallish Upper NY State lake since the 50's, me since the 80's. In all that time a single solitary Walleye was caught in it by cousin Frank back in the 80's and nothing reported since. It was such a big deal it hit the weekly rag in Teresa NY. The fish got into there because it as well took a wrong turn. Bring some Pickerel Rigs too. Why punish yourself Sterling, why?

 

In the meantime I hope you hammer that Trout, notice the singular.

You're 100% correct. We fish walleye in the morning/evening and lakers will be a side activity. If I'm not successful that's ok, walleye will be plentiful otherwise.

Here's the lake for the curious; https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Lac+Jolliet/@51.531796,-76.8958439,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4d1d14c4e884e877:0x619b39ed95a61aa1!8m2!3d51.565845!4d-76.8345822

Don't mind sharing as I doubt anyone will actually make the trip. Limits in this area have been cut in half and you need a right of way from the natives in order to fish the lake.

Don't know how big this lake is to check out but I would start by giving a quick buzz around and find the warmest water in the lake. Creeks are a big bonus. So is deeper structure nearby. That warmer water is where the lake's "bioculture" will be the most active with those colder water temps.
I will say that I find it strange that if they natives are targeting Whitefish with nets they haven't had more of an incidental Laker catch, or even target them as well.

 

Good luck on your trip.

Good point, I'm sure it happens more with white fish. I haven't been around during white fish season, only when they were harvesting walleye.

Like other guys have mentioned, it sounds odd. In a storage bin full of fish there's only 1 laker and it's a monster.

It sounds like the laker population might be very small and they might not be reproducing anymore.

Definitely possible. This area is affected by the LG hydro dams, which as we know can kill off entire spawns if water draws are timed right.

Is there trout there lol. Odd nobody has fished for them

 

Sounds like a blast however, good luck!

The "locals" are a handful of native folk, we know them well. Been doing trips to this place for 18 years! And 2 years ago they caught a monstrous laker in their net while harvesting walleye. We had no idea they were even in the lake to begin with!

I wouldn't listen to the locals, lol. Depends on water temp, but that for north they could either be right on top or spread out everywhere like they usually are right after ice out.

Welp, nobody really fishes the lake aside from a handful of native people. They get a storage bin full of fish every few weeks, caught through nets. They only target walleye and white fish. I just happened to notice a huge laker in their bin and asked about it. Couldn't believe my eyes - fished there for 18 years thinking the lake held just walleye. But it makes sense, the lake is deep in some areas.

The ice usually comes off the lakes​ around here late April/early May lol, James Bay will be a few weeks later. They will be shallow, the water will be ice cold.

Yeah my dates may be messed up. Earliest I've been was mid-June and yes, the water was cold!!

How would I go about finding them? Go to deep areas, but fish shallow?

Wondering where you guys would target trout 2-4 weeks after ice off? I've done trout fishing RIGHT after ice off and they were pretty much right on surface.

How soon do they start going deeper?

This would be for a lake located near the southern point of James Bay. I suspect the ice comes off late April or early May. We're fishing the lake on opener (June 7th).

According to locals, the lake has never been fished for trout. This is going to be awesome!

But it has never been legal to bring in live bait from another province, so the first time you go to ask someone in a tackle shop you will be told what the rules are.

True

In bold letters it says "PROHIBITED FROM APRIL 1ST, 2017 EXCEPT FROM DECEMBER 20, 2017 TO APRIL 1, 2018".

 

They decided to change the regulation at some point last summer. Dead bait fish are only allowed during the winter. Period. No exceptions.

D'oh!

Read this from another site

 

"If anyone is travelling to our beautiful province this spring, please be aware that once again, Quebec is making it known that it is the province that fun forgot.

 

Our provincial wildlife administration has put into place new measures for the use of baitfish for fishing.

 

From April 1 until December 20( when ``winter`` fishing season opens) NO LIVE OR DEAD BAITFISH are permitted for fishing. Nothing. Nada. Zero Zilch. This includes store bought herring, smelts, mackerel, anything.

 

From December 20, until March 31 annually, dead baitfish are permitted for the `` winter `` fishing period.

 

Also, in shared waterways with other provinces where live bait was legal to use in the winter, it is now prohibited to use any live baitfish to fish in winter or summer.

 

Here`s the Coles notes,

 

April 1-December 20- NO BAITFISH ALLOWED FOR FISHING AT ALL.

 

December 20-March 31- ONLY DEAD BAITFISH ALLOWED.

 

For anyone that doesn`t speak French, the MFFP (governing body in Quebec for wildlife regs) website is a nightmare. All of the publications and press releases are solely published in French....

 

hopefully this info will save any visitors from a fine, as our wardens are pretty ticket happy."

I read this as well. However the MFFP website is offered in English. Confusing as hell though - the zone I'm traveling to (22) is divided into North and South, and then subdivided again in an absolute mess of subzones. See for yourself; https://mffp.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/fishing-regulations/pdf/impression/Fishing-Map-Zone-22.pdf

I could see people getting in trouble over these new regs. If you seldom travel to quebec, and check these bait regulations real quick, it would be easy to assume live baitfish are allowed in certain zones. Zone 22 for example isn't even mentioned. So you could readily assume there are no prohibitions on baitfish at all.

As of this year, you cannot use dead bait fish during open water season. Zero exceptions.

According to the 2016-2018 regs that's not the case; https://mffp.gouv.qc.ca/english/publications/online/wildlife/fishing-regulations/general-regulations/bait-fish.asp

Very confused

So I know minnows are banned as bait pretty much everywhere in Quebec. However can you use say, frozen herring?

Edit: Correction, it appears I'm totally wrong, however I'm trying to find out the regulations for minnows in zone 22 south. Can't find any info!

I have an idea. We should get EVERYBODY to register their drones in a registry.

That way, criminals will register their drones and we'll catch them even if they're unidentified!

I don't know much about it,I've always been in a zone that don't allow pike fishing until mid May.

Anyone know if or when nippissing usually has ice out?

If that zone don't allow it then disregard nipp.ill go further up to a zone if needed.

Thx

Nipissing is closed to all species until May 20th this year, I believe.

OK! It's done! Four of us are booked into Lac Roz for the second week in June. Lac Roz is about 100 km north of the Transtaiga road that runs E/W across the James Bay region, serving Hydro Quebec and the La Grande river system of generating stations. We will fly from Montreal to LG-4 airport in a PC-12 Pilatus, about 1000 km, and then take a float plane from there, about 150 km, to the lake. The camp has hot and cold running water, shower, propane stove and fridge. Food is provided for us, along with 21 ft Vercheres river boats and new 20 hp four strokes. The targets are lake and speckled trout, and there are pike as well. Just 80 more sleeps!

 

I think BigCreekDad has been up that way with MIrage Outfitters almost 10 years ago, and maybe Fishnsled? Has anyone else fished Roz?

 

Thanks again, joeytier, for your great advice. Perseverance paid off!

That area is my destination of choice when I do make it out for a long, serious fishing trip. Great choice, you won't regret it. You'll catch more fish than you ever have in your life.

Jesus Christ guys.

 

If it doesn't benefit you, why offer an opinion?

Well, alcohol doesn't benefit me at all seeing how I'm allergic, but I love talking about it. Isn't that the point of a forum? Find a talking point, get opinions, learn from the other side... hopefully without a heated discussion (lol)?

I was actually defending against the point that "weed is bad because all the potheads in school were losers". Troubled kids are more likely to partake in delinquent activities such as skipping class, drinking, smoking, etc. Weed is a symptom of a larger problem, not the cause of it.

Sorry Sterling have to disagree with your comment on the developing mind crapola. So according to you since cannabis use has gone up hugely since the 70s 80s that psycosis and other mental issues must have gone up as well. But if you do some research and check that is not the case. Mental disorders haven't kept up to cannabis smokers at all. Nice try.

This crapola is confirmed by every study ever done on weed's effect on the developing brain. Who would have thought that a psychoactive drug would alter a young brain???

Here's a gigantic list of scholarly studies confirming this: https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=cannabis+effect+on+adolescent+brain&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiahcet_ufSAhUm34MKHbrmBKkQgQMIGjAA

As a regular user myself, I wouldn't care if my kids used, so long as it's past the ~20 year mark.

Now please excuse me while i frantically light my next joint because I'm shaking and sweating from withdrawal (just kidding, that would be my caffeine withdrawal).

Yeah first thing that came to mind "this guy isn't right in the head".

Over 2ft of ice on nip and season's closed =(.

 

you apparently can treat that with cortisone...that stuff is lethal, one spray and you basically are addicted. The only good side is that usually you can wait until you at least arent sick and then deal with the congestion...being sick and congested is terrible.

Yep the pharmacist told me I'm in luck because they just started selling Nasacort (cortisone spray) over the counter. Saved me. I would have paid $1000 to get rid of the congestion. It's called rebound congestion and is 10x worst than the initial congestion haha.

Some of you are making a crucial mistakes with anecdotes.

The guys/gals we knew growing up that were apparently "jonesing" for weed were doing so at an age where the brain is still growing. It's a scientific fact that a growing brain will be adversely affected by weed.

On the topic of addiction, I got addicted to decongestant spray last week. Goddamn is that ever hard to stop.

Pesticide on weed you say?

Deplorable, I prefer to buy my poison by the 12 pack, Budweiser, to be specific.

Whats the plan for the cedar for real?

 

Great time of year for hauling materials. Ya never know, i might just show up there this summer. Im pretty handy!

 

S.

I'm not handy but I'm showing up anyway. Someone's gotta make the coffee.