huntervasili

OOD and Canadian Fly Fisher are two I enjoy reading, although I still have another 5 or so subscriptions I enjoy

ENFORCE strict penalties for those who use them in crime, and then maybe, and only maybe, gun related crimes will drop.

 

Sinker

Exactly, untill you punish the snot out of the REAL criminals the crimes will not decrease. If a gun is used in a crime that should be at least one life sentence. Mandatory Minimum sentencing that hurts may help the problem

The only ones who will really put up a stink, are those who spent a good chunk o' change on handguns and associated memberships.

They will be put out somewhat from their hobby.

The other one's who will be upset are those who feel they need a gun to protect themselves from the gun toting villains. And finally, the illegal gun owners, will put up the greatest fuss.

 

The thing is..where do illegal handguns come from? I understand a significant number of them are stolen from law abiding permit holding citizens. Take away that source, and what is left?

Smuggling across from the states accounts for the majority of illegal firearms in Canada.

Ohh and the RCMP contributes to stolen firearms as does our DND

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article330.htm

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article165.htm

Both acquired through access to information act from the Justice Dpt. and RCMP

Also firearms bans in Wales, England, and Australia have also caused a huge spike in firearms crimes...

FACT FILE - from Physicians for social responsibility

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:lxXbOA...t=clnk&cd=1

 

Quick facts

 

1)A person dies by suicide about every 18 minutes in the United States. Each suicide intimately affects at least six other people.

2)A gun kept in the home is 11 times more likely to be used to commit or attempt a suicide than to be used in self-defense.

3)The dramatic increase in American youth suicide since 1960 is primarily attributable to an increase in suicide by firearms.

4)Of elderly persons who commit suicide, over 71% use guns.

 

From PBS

http://www.pbs.org/thesilentepidemic/riskfactors/guns.html

 

--Firearms are the most common method of suicide by youth. This is true for both males and females, younger and older adolescents, and for all races (Kachur et al., 1995).

 

--The increase in the rate of youth suicide (and the number of deaths by suicide) over the past four decades is largely related to the use of firearms as a method (Boyd & Moscicki, 1986; CDC, 1986; Kachur et al., 1995).

 

--The most common location for the occurrence of firearm suicides by youth is the home (Brent et al., 1993).

 

--There is a positive association between the accessibility and availability of firearms in the home and the risk for youth suicide (Brent et al., 1993; Kellerman et al., 1992).

 

--The risk conferred by guns in the home is proportional to the accessibility (e.g., loaded and unsecured firearms) and the number of guns in the home (Brent et al., 1993; Kellerman et al., 1992).

 

--Guns in the home, particularly loaded guns, are associated with increased risk for suicide by youth, both with and without identifiable mental health problems or suicidal risk factors (Brent et al., 1993).

 

--If a gun is used to attempt suicide, a fatal outcome will result 78% to 90% of the time (Annest et al., 1995; Card, 1974)

 

--Public policy initiatives that restrict access to guns (especially handguns) are associated with a reduction of firearm suicide and suicide overall, especially among youth (Carrington et al., 1994; Loftin et al., 1991; Sloan et al., 1990).

Esentially canada has a de facto national ban on handguns and has since the 1930's... the registration/licensing process and de facto ban have caused a decrease in firearm suicides but have increased overall as more people have used other methods ie. Hanging, poisoning, etc.

I have a bunch of info and counter arguements to all of you're other misleading citations but am in the middle of an essay and so don't at the time being have time to respond to them all..

What am I missing?

 

A rifle or shotgun's purpose is to hunt game. They are considered 'long guns', and are difficult to conceal unless modified.

 

A handgun, and correct me if I'm wrong, is used to shoot people, or for target practice.

 

Is there any other use for a handgun? Why does a person need to have one?

It is #1 a means of protection used by trappers

#2 Used by people as a means of self defence, and 95% of the time it is only displayed and not fired

#3 It is a hobby of many sport shooters

#4 it is an Olympic competition and if you ban them canadians will not be able to compete...

I could add alot more to the list but I think this clarifies

Ohh one last thing check out the poll, altough likely somewhat bias, it shows how little support a 2 billion dollar registry has Check out the poll

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publication...rmsPoll2004.pdf

ohhh yea and all those 60 and 70 year old hooligans at the club should be locked up and denied some more rights too... Heck I go to a gun club Sundays, I guess that my hobby means I will be out on a killing spree in a few years eh? And lets P/O gun owners to get better compliance and less tenseness and violence, good plan mayor Miller, you my friend clearly are a Naive Sonuvadumb

Yup, we all know that the crimi9nals like to punch some paper and the gangsters like to shoot some trap before a drive by... Hmmm, too bad only around 4 out of 140 or so homicides in 2k6 and 6 of 120 or so in 2k7 were committed with registered firearms... but heck who doesn't like their constitutional rights like the right to peaceful assembly and life, liberty and security of the person infringed upon every now and again?

You won't need any duct tape Bill... but you may wanna bring 2 Gym bags...

The one will do I will just bring some garbage bags for liners And I also have my watertight canoe bag, thanks for the idea Glen,

Glad I scrolled down some Glen, thought I was going to need a 2nd roll of duct tape.

you will have alot of friction in both casting and retrieving with the spinning reel and not as good of grip for whipping baits with a caster... I wqould say get a 2 or 2.5" tube and a new rod then pack one of each... I wouldnt ruin a good rod to make it hardly mediocre for both uses... Just MHO

I'll be making the trek... Just have to figure out my schedule to make the longest stay possible...

Downtown TO forsure, my grandfather used to tell me about the place all the time

Well I have the Highlander and can tell you right now I drive pretty much 60% city 40% highway and my avg is approximately 14L/100KM. No complaints for it whatsoever, have only had to do regular servicing and replace a headlight in the couple years that I've had it.

Well with you in there it will probably stay empty

Thanks Now I will never finish

Dang, now I am actually going to get work done... bummer

Lets hope they get a heck of a thinning of the wallet.

Ya looks excited there Mike... That fish looks like a beaut beside you glad to see you're getting you're moneys worth eh

Yup, Had a great time up there forsure! only got a couple soakers too... Those fuzzies were pretty darn comfy though, might have to find me a pair The company and the food made up for the lack of catching, and I sure enjoyed my weekend regardless of the weather!

OK Guy's. Dont get yer knickers all knotted up.

Just thought someone would be interested in a duck nesting so far from water

End of post !!

Ohh it was far from water, ya shoulda mentioned that before. Thats a whole new story Tell us if ya see some chicks though

OOPS I was over a little, corrected now!

And we wouldnt want that would we Bill

Ya got that right!

probably not the best idea to mess with a nested duck.

 

it is illegal to interfere with the nest or eggs or a migratory bird as per the Migratory Birds Convention Act.

 

sorta like fishing with a marshmellow

Hope you're not referring to me as I agree wholeheartedly morally and legally with that. Bugging with a nest is the easiest way to have it abandoned or scavenged through by predators