Well my " Gar" quest was an official skunkage. However, thanks to a bunch of leads off this board and after talking with a bunch of locals, i did manage to get all the info needed for next season. We had no boat and it was windy, and apperently this isnt the time of year for them to be near wading grounds. We ended up seeing alot of new places, met some good people on the journey and found a new Pickeral honeyhole...........half the fun is the chase.......thanks again boys for the help!!!