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No I guess you are.....

Pharmacology and organic chemistry use to be a passion of mine.

I'm not a "doctor" though

Just poking fun, I don't mean any disrespect. Knowledge is power, or or them fighting words? lol

BillM, an autopsy probably won't show much in terms of steroids in ones system. The half life on most these drugs is remarkably short, with a few exceptions to the ester the compound is binded too.

What they look at is the ratio of testosterone to epitostosterone, then they basically guess. Sounds dumb, but it's totally true. Unless his numbers were tested prior, that all you can really do.

Most anabolic steroids are altered chemically from their pharmaceutical counterparts, so there is no baseline to test against. If the compound and its metabolites have not existed in a lab somewhere, there is no test that will show an "unkown" drug in your system.

Remember as well, there are numerous sub-types of steroids as well. So even if they say "we found steroids!!!!" it's very likely they are referring to steroids that aren't anabolic in nature, but more than likely a corticosteroids or something of the like.

fishgreg, in terms of the further study of concussions and their effects.

It's great that they are studying it in further detail, and obviously the science relating to it is improving, and thats a great thing. But this issue will never be fully understood, nor resolved.

Neurotransmitters are ridiculously complicated, to the point where even the experts in the field know very little.

They involve a lovely little lady named homeostasis, and they alter production, amounts etc very often, and are intricately correlated to our minds/bodies actions in millions of ways. They are altered also by millions of other factors, how we act, where we live, how we eat and the list carries on forever.

Thats part of the problem in studying these issues, there are simply too many factors involved to create studies that can show definitive answers. We can only create theories, and then test those theories. But even when an answer if found, it complicates the issue further, it doesn't resolve it.

and yes, it is a very interesting debate.

You sir make the best fishing reports I've ever read, well its a tie with Moosebunk, lol.

Amazing!!! Thanks for sharing

RIP

anyhow, just a difference in opinions.

Lets get back to fishing, I wanna see more of those perch BB

It's not a matter of whos right, lol.

For every study you show me with negative side effects, I can show you hundreds of the positives.

I wouldn't rule out it may have played a role, and it might not have. But it is far more likely there was other issues or drug use etc.

Your way more likely to die from NSAID use or even acetaminophen use then any steroid.

The mind works on a complicated system of neurochemistry, steroids alter neurochemistry indirectly, unlike SSRI's and other anti depressant drugs that are way more at risk of causing suicidal episodes.

It could even be the alteration of the "risk/reward" system and his neurotransmitor makeup that contributed to his condition.

I often wonder how ex professional athletes deal with things as they step away from that pedastle they are on. It must be a very tough thing to deal with mentally.

Unless your son is an endocrinologist with no bias, I don't see what that has to do with anything???

and if you were using prescription testosterone (a base steroid) and you suffered negative side effects such as moodiness, it was more than likely it was administered in a poor manner dose wise.

if/when you come off a steroid, you need to administer more drugs appropriately to get the body to start producing it's own testosterone again, like HCG or Clomid. Or you will have symptoms relative to zero testosterone production.

FYI, there are thousands of steroids all with unique effects and characteristics, "doctors" are not necessarily experts on the issue

Billybob,

wiki is a useful tool, but not so much when it comes to science.

anyone that has an understanding of the endocrine system and neuro chemistry would understand where I'm coming from.

but lets save that for a more appropriate thread

Steroids make a person ANGRY and violent.

lol, that's nonsense.

@fishgreg,

You have to remember though it's a choice of the individual to pursue something they love. Some people will think similarly to you, and choose another profession/hobby, some won't. For some people doing what they love means everything, and health isn't going to stop that pursuit.

We go out in boats everyday and risk accidents their as well, no different then other sports on that level. We choose to do it, even with the risk of drowning etc. Same as other professions, firefighting etc. To them the risk is worth it, and they accept the short term/long term consequences of those decisions.

Anyhow, very tragic loss. Very talented athlete and by the sounds of it, an even greater person.

It's the 40% of Canada no one really cares about, lol.

Probably why its a great area to fish...

Man thats an awesome tattoo

I watched Iron Maiden in Minneapolis years and years ago. I've always been a fan, I grew up listening to them on vinyl, lol. I loved buying most their albums on vinyl when I got older. I always thought it was the coolest art work on their covers.

Run to the hills is not only a great song, it's one of my all time fav. videos. If you haven't seen it, look it up.

Nobody puts on a concert like Iron Maiden, they do amazing shows!!!

Not sure what you meant by this, but I think that a discussion about whether Junior Seau may have permanently damaged his brain is very relevant and in no way tarnishes his legacy.

Although I have no relationship with Junior Seau, I played football at a high level for 7 years in College and University. I am no where bear the physical specimen that Junior was, but I feel the long term effect of playing football on a daily basis. I was diagnosed with two concussions during my playing days, and am currently in my mid 30's, and know that my brain does not function at the same level as it once did.

Please don't dismiss me as a dumb jock either, I earned an academic scholarship to a top Canadian university. I believe that I have direct experience with this issue.

If you are dismissing the issue of brain trauma as a potential impact on Junior's death, especially if it was a suicide than I believe that you are the one who is tarnishing his legacy. A man's legacy should be the total accumulation of his life's work, not a snapshot of a point in history.

Sorry to go on a bit on this topic, and I hope that you do not feel that this is an attack on you. As a person with direct knowledge of the long term impact that brain trauma can cause, and as a Amateur football coach I think that we should learn as much as possible about issues like concussions and football so that we can make the game that many people love as safe as possible.

I do agree with you that as a society we need to look at why we put professional athletes on pedestal and how this may affect their lives.

Just my 2 cents.

I can totally understand where your coming from. In fact, I've suffered numerous concussions and it's a big part of why you can't translate my post, lol. I have a really hard time putting my thoughts in order when I type.

I too have an education, it doesn't hinder me from learning, just in the way I speak or type things out.

Concussions def. need to be taken very seriously and studied in far greater detail.

The point I'm trying to make is that it could very well be the issue that caused this tragedy, maybe not? Or it can be numerous factors or outside factors.

I was just peeved at the show I was watching and how they presented it. It immediately went into talks of studying head trauma and concussions as if the focus wasn't on his death, and I find that disrespectful.

Hopefully thats more understandable for you?

Very sad to see his mother speak, that always breaks me up

R.I.P. Junior

A great player and I was huge fan.

That being said, Concussions or not, that doesn't really have a place in our discussion as to what happened.

Lately, there is alot of talk over suicide/death due to concussions, but there are so many other related factors....

We will never really know.

Anyone with half a brain knows what professional athletes endure. The physicality does play a part, but so does mentality, life, abuse etc...

I obviously have no idea what happened, but when things like this occur, the first thing I think of is the "pedestal" professional athletes are put on, and how the other factors play a part, then your career ends....

It has to play a hyyyyuge emotional role, and if you couple that with relationship factors, drug use, past family issues etc, it is my feeling that it's a recipe for disaster.

I just think it's time we as society look at everything as a whole to produce a conclusion. I think all these athletes/people deserve that and I believe that is fair treatment and helps a legacy.

Very easy to pinpoint one issue as the cause, when really everyone involved knows damn well the things that go on with professional athletes....

If you want to honor someone you cherished, give them the dignity of dying in their own way. Celebrate their life and accomplishments...

Don't tarnish them with hearsay and bull.

Prost to everyone that has past, athlete or not, and to hell with everyone who dissects your life in an unruly manner

When I got home yesterday decided to google where this fish came from as a buddy didn't know. Apparently this fish is a vietnamease catfish grown in river farms. Didn't know that at the time but was it tasty!,put in flower and run through egg bowl.Wow. Who would of thought and sold in some No frills. Will look for it this weekend.

I tried some last year and I found it to taste good but odd texture... I've never eaten any other catfish though, so maybe thats just how their flesh is???? Did you fry it or what was the cooking method?

Every once in awhile I'll try some fish from the supermarket for a change up. I usually end up with salmon or trout though.

That being said, I tried some tilapia the other day, two different ways, and it was pretty good. One was cooked like trout, the other just like typical walleye. Kids couldn't tell the difference.

The price had me wondering though, lol, $5.95 for 6 fillets????? I probably don't wanna see where the fish came from...

I've had a hard time with pike for the past ten days or so.

All was going really well when water temps were 40-43, then it went up to 46 (now 49) and I can't get bit.

I've been fishing depths from 1FOW to 30FOW, mud, sandbars, backbays, old veg, rock, current, current seams etc. Tried small baits, live bait big baits and everything in between.

I'll be very happy when I can figure them out, or the water warms up more, whichever happens first, lol.

Good thing the bass are biting in the meantime (I'm in zone 5)

I got out for 2 hours and watched the skies carefully the whole time...lucked out in the end...no rain or thunder here all day.

 

Got a couple nice bass.

Lucky dood, calling for rain and thunderstorms here for the next 5 days. I'll get out here and there, just won't be for very long.

Bass are starting the year off bigger then usual, you noticing the same thing??? Gonna be some real tanks around here come fall

My gosh thats a nice rod!!!

I bet money that you had a hard time paying attention to your own rod/line Simon, lol.

FYI I couldn't get out today, some pretty good storms rolled through. Hopefully tomorrow...

Welcome aboard Scott!!!

Great fish guys, nice chunky bronze!!!!

Great report, but I must say I was looking forward to some close ups of the new rod

Yep, thats a very nice sucker!!!!

"My fish was this big!!!!!!"

My link

"Doesn't matter, this is the playoffs, your OOS!"

Now that sounds like almost as much fun as fighting a dog on a fly rod!

 

 

 

hahaha, at least you caught the sarcasm .

Edited for rediculousness

Some of the responses on the last page or so are hilarious

It seems we've all grown up and have chosen to battle over what species fights better, for gosh sakes.

Sucker fishing is fun at times, especially the 10lbers in the rapids. Only carp I've ever seen washed up on shore with it's belly ripped out (presumably by a bear?), well, that wasn't very fun.

I suppose I could catch some if I bought a 17ft rod and some of those tinker bells?

Still don't think it be as fun as sucker fishing with my 28" ice rod spooled up with 50lb braid.

Seriously, what the heck is going on here????

I was fishing for pike, and never seen a fish all weekend (aside from sturgeon cleaning their gills).

Nice pics, I'm very jealous

What are those "fiddles" Misfish???

Brutal.

A little friendly advice can go along way. Good on the guy for being excited, but I'd prefer to see the fish released immediately. It's not the end of the world though.

On this site there is pictures of carp and other species laying on mud banks, in the grass etc... So whats with that??? To me I hardly lose sleep over it, some people are really over reacting.

Alot of us watch our favorite anglers throw bass outta their boats all the time. I don't agree with it, but I still watch.

As long as I treat the fish I catch in a manner I feel good about and is legal, I'm happy with that.

That being said, these threads can be entertaining. I can't help but feel for the guy though. I've been there (with bass as well). I posted a pic and the first response I got was "learn em young", suggesting I was teaching my kids to fish OOS. A quick question(what zone are you in?) would have avoided a whole bunch of insults and name calling.

We all know the best way to get our point across is to slander a guys character and yell and scream via the keyboard, lol

In my area the CO's have been a pleasure to deal with.

I've called the tips line on more then one occasion and they've shown up every time, late, but they did show up.

I see the same group of CO's pretty regularly and speak with them when I get a chance. Even they say it's tough because that one boat is patrolling a huge stretch of the river.

Your doing what you can and should feel good about that. One day that couple will get what they have coming to them.