Dutch01

Yeah, I was there yesterday afternoon. I had picked a few things; but I put them back when I saw the line up to pay.

I stood in that lineup yesterday afternoon

I'll likely be there Saturday night too. However, I still think it is a week or two early. We'll see if the cooler temps this week turn on the bite.

I just fished my balls off on a hardcore trip all last week. Even so, while watching the sun set while at work last evening I could feel "the pull" and it was strong.

 

"The pull" is relentless, especially in autumn, an awesome time of the year.

I feel it all year too but the fall is especially bad.

 

You gonna meet me at the spot anytime this fall Chris? Send me a PM.....

just got the pull engraved on my body...tattoo pictures to be posted upon completion!

 

 

If you're serious, you win the "most hardcore" award from me!

I just got back, it was stupid busy. I didn't find much of anything over 20% off.....

give it 4 weeks and it will be "on" so to say

I definitely can't wait four weeks! I'll die!

 

It's my Son's birthday next weekend so I won't be getting out. After that I'm going hardcore until close on Nov 15th.

Sounds like classic falleye symptoms...

That's funny, I've never heard it called that before! I definitely have it.

 

 

I too feel the pull..Perhaps not the same spot. The pull is much like the force..Every fall it comes on strong..Good luck and have fun!

Thanks and you too!

It happens every year. I know it's early yet for my favorite shore spot. It's probably two or three weeks away from catching fire. Every year I resolve to wait until October. And then I feel it.

 

It reminds me of quitting smoking, which I did two weeks ago now. I think "I'm fine, I can do this". And then I feel it.

 

"I can catch up on stuff around the house". I tell myself. Today I thought "It's going to be cold tonight, the fish will be off". And that might be true. But still I feel it.

 

The pull took me up there last weekend and I was rewarded with a chunky largemouth and a 21" walleye. Not bad for being two weeks early. I can't post pics because they'll identify my spot and then you'll feel the pull too. If you don't already.

 

I always call my buddies and round up the gang. On Monday. "Are you fishing this weekend?". "Dude, it's Monday!". Sometimes I wonder if they feel the pull like I do.

 

It's a rare day when no one comes out so I don't get out alone very often. Perhaps because of that it feels like a rare treat when I do. I didn't call anyone this week. I decided to go alone. I'd have the cold and the coyotes all to myself.

 

And then my phone rings this morning. "Hey, are you going tonight?".

 

A smile creeps across my face. Yup, they feel it too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for reading my ramblings.

 

Dutch

 

http://www.anishinaa...biggest-threat/

 

 

That link was really enlightening, thanks AKRISONER

I did find a reference to a 29K (commercial) vs 20K (angler) reference in this thread:

 

Kuha I believe last year the NFN fishery took out about 29000 kg and the anglers were around 20000kg. And both these numbers represent all fish caught, biologists take the side of caution so estimate higher numbers to ensure the highest number possible is used. This cover non compliances.

 

http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75514&page=2

 

I can't find any other hard numbers right now. My point is this isn't a new issue, and both sides are keeping 10's of thousands of kilos of fish. They're both living in glass houses and throwing stones.

Where did you find 2015 information Dutch? I can only seem to get info dated up to 2014.

I guess it wasn't 2015, that's probably wrong. This is an old issue that's been argued many times. I looked it up a while ago. It's been busy at work so I haven't been able to look for the link.... Sorry!

Angler harvest and Commercial harvest were within a thousand kilos of each other in 2015. It was -/+ 28,000 kg anglers and 29,000 kg commercial if I remember correctly. No one should be pointing the finger unilaterally at the other side here.

i caught season 1 of game of thrones on ctv and got hooked, bought the season 1 through 5 dvd set and spent the weekend watching them, just finished season 2 tonight,. what a show, now I feel i'm getting into the cultural phenomenon.

It really is a great show. You have so many great moments still to go, I'm jealous!

It's probably a good thing you didn't come by Chad. With the hot sun and blue bird skies fishing was tough. Hopefully I can get up to Nip this fall before close, I'll let you know!

I had that same Exploited shirt! Those were the good old days. And yes, we ARE getting old aren't we?

For some reason they thought it would be fun to dump a box of plastic cutlery on the picnic table and then wrestle around in it at 2am ???

 

The little buggers!

Restoule is a beautiful park, I highly recommend checking it out. To say there are tons of deer in the park is not an exaggeration! I saw 7 this past weekend, here's a few quick snaps:

 

 

 

 

These were right inside the campground, no need to go hiking to find them. Didn't see any bears but we had the obligatory visit by the trash pandas.

 

Fishing was another story altogether. It was a family camping trip so I didn't get much time in the boat, and when I did it was hot and sunny with no clouds in sight. I managed one small bass in 4 hours. I'm not much for heat and Sun so I'm happy for fall to arrive anyways.

I do think Daredevil was better, yes. I still thought JJ was good though.

I enjoyed the first season of Marvel's Jessica Jones. It's not on the level of Avengers or anything, but it was still quite good. For those that are into the Marvel Universe, Netflix is making a Luke Cage / Power Man spinoff, as well an Iron Fist series. Luke Cage airs September 30 afaik....

No matter what, people need to drink and they are going to get it from the cheapest supplier.

 

Do you want to sell for market value or sit on your duff and say its worth more.

 

Governments can only tax so much before they tax us out of the market.

 

You guys got ummm Trudeau in there now to solve all these problems with the rest of the world..tell him to get at it

It looks like we have a respectful difference of opinion. I'm good with that. Cheers Dara.

 

 

Dutch

 

The developers DO NOT PAY ANYTHING..in the end we pay it all, every penny

 

Do you want the price of gravel to go up

Do you want the price of a round of golf to go up

Do you want the price of a glass of water to go up

 

When it goes high enough, we will buy it from a country that doesn't charge as much, except we won't have any money to pay for it.

So the answer is to give it away free?

 

Yes, I do want the cost of products created by polluting or environmentally unsustainable industries to go up.

 

Many years ago, before I was in the trucking industry, I was in the lumber industry. In those days, it was cheaper to buy Canadian lumber from American companies, and have it shipped back to Canada, than to buy it here in the first place. Does that sound right to you? Does this support keeping jobs in Canada? Maybe only the logging jobs, all the profit went to America.

 

Despite what was said by others above, I know for a fact that dozens of loads of water a day are going down the road to the USA. I don't think Canada getting a few bottling /truck driving jobs is worth giving away our water for $3.74/M liters. Again, this only my opinion, I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone here.

I've been pretty clear in my posts that I'm not focused solely on the water industry and that I think all natural resources developers should be paying more. I'm not sure how that's being misconstrued. I have mentioned nestle because that was the original topic, but I've not excused any other polluter/developer.

 

Oh and thanks for the link, Art. That was a good read.

Dave, I agree there are lots of wasteful practices in the world. But nothing will ever get done if the standard reply is to deflect to other wasteful practices, say yeah but what about that, shrug, then do nothing. I say, why not both (or all)?

I am a consultant to companies on water treatment and water purification. From returning black water back to drinking water as well as bring mass amounts of gray water back to the environment. There is no scientific bases for the water shortage scare being used by assorted companies misleading agendas. This being said it is a precious resource and needs to be honored. The only issue is as water becomes contaminated it will become more expensive to bring back to the level that we have been getting for free. Now the bottled water removed is not adding to the increased cost of having clean water. The removal of excessive water from a source will drop the water table temporarily but will replenish when the demand drops below the supply. Very rarely will the water fractors close and remain permanently dry but yes it is possible. Now the real issue is when you have to clean up the water from chemicals and even silt both byproducts of mining and golf courses. The process of removing silt is filtration which is a cost in itself. The chemicals both organic and inorganic are much more costly to remove. To return a gallon of water flushed down the toilet to water fit for drinking is $1.85 using the Thedford system. That process is micron filtration, Carbon extraction and an ozone injection system. While it is drinkable, to do so requires extremely high monitoring so we reuse it as gray water to be reflushed in the toilet systems. Watch the industries they are the people who are damaging the water purity.

 

Art

 

Art, I have no doubt that you know more about water than me. However it doesn't take a crystal ball to see the future of resource consumption in the world. It is easier to pollute water than it is to remove the pollution. It is easier to run a well dry than to fill it back up. Desalination is still too expensive to be a viable option from everything I have read. According to the UN (I know there are better sources but this isn't a career for me, I don't have time to dig deeper right now), "There is enough freshwater on the planet for seven billion people but it is distributed unevenly and too much of it is wasted, polluted and unsustainably managed." (source link: http://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/scarcity.shtml). If you look at the attached picture, you can see that Canada and even the USA are looking pretty good compared to a wide swath of the planet along the equator:

 

This is good news, of course. It means we are in good shape right now. This is all the more reason to stress conservation right now. It is far easier to not use it up/pollute it in the first place. It's not fear-mongering for me to say we should be conserving the resource now before we actually do face a crisis.

 

Also from the same link "Water use has been growing at more than twice the rate of population increase in the last century, and, although there is no global water scarcity as such, an increasing number of regions are chronically short of water."

 

So there is not currently a global water shortage. If we continue to give it away for free and pollute it for another hundred years because anytime someone brings up conservation they are labelled as a conspiracy theorist, my prediction is only more certain to come true.

 

It's never a bad time to start conserving water. That is only my opinion, but I stand by it.

The elephant in the room which we all see but will not say is that Nestles is an American company and the price paid for the water seems to be to cheap. The US based company bottles the water in Canada for Canada for the most part saves on trucking costs import fees and taxes. The less they pay for water the cheaper the end product is. Now double the purchase price of the raw water and the end product will be less desirable due to the cost point of business. Now Nestles will be branded as gouging and ripping off Canadians. If the end product remains in Canada then you get money from the water sale and also the taxes and 2nd person sales profit. It is money staying in Canada as well as money from Nestles.

Now look at the other major consumers of water with the detrimental byproduct that are returning to the environment that have to be either cleaned up or left to damage the water and land. Look at mining damage as well as nitrate poisoning from golf courses. Look at the agenda before you decide to take it up if you don't see the logic you do not have all of the facts.

 

 

Art

I concede there are worse abusers. You'll get no argument from me there. I'm also not against industry. No industry means no trucking, and then I need a new job.

 

I am against under-valuing our resources - $3.74 per million liters? The stuff will be worth more than oil in a hundred years (maybe less than a hundred).