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I think they can charged you with impaired

Both actually

Then us shift workers who work 12 hour nights are screwed! Can you really be charged with fatigue?

Absolutely!

But its unlikely to be that tired after a 12 hour shift. However, if you cause an accident, they might make a judgement call on that

It also minimizes your defense. If your fatigued, on medication or whatever, police will more than likely, discredit your words on the event that happened

All very nice!

We didnt do pumpkins this year, just wasnt in the cards with work and such?

Hopefully next year

I believe "narcotic", last I heard, was undergoing either a change in definitions or was going to be entered into a narcotic classification system dependant on strength etc.

Its crazy to think marijuana is held the same as heroin etc

And thats why in certain places, possetion of marijuana had such a harsh penalty.

In parts of the US its narcotic so it falls under shedule 3 drug(same as heroin etc)

It's sad to see prohibition and the lack of knowledge here.

That said. Taking opiates is a far better option and driving is it then?

..May cause drowsiness after all, and "to be careful operating machinery."

It's an adult decision

Not one that gets decided for people by others who think they know better but choose not to look into the who deal.

 

They have laws for impaired driving and tests for such but that's not enough I guess.

 

 

Narcotic is a really crappy definition, basically just means any medication/drug or supplement that causes drowsiness.

If your on the road swerving and get pulled over, and say your sick and have taken Nyquil, said officer has every reason to charge you with impaired driving

Its already impaired driving

He Heee how does something like that happen?

 

The chemical issue in pot is when the garage dealer tries to make his pot better using unknown chemicals. The spraying of bug killer,paraquat and adding PCP and other cheap chemicals change the taste and consistency of the smoke. Mind you that my experience with it was back in the late 70's so I a sure it has changed.

 

 

Art

Zero need to alter marijuana these days

The strains are FAR more potent then the 70's

That 70s weed is now called ditch weed

Yes agreed!

This is a little off base but just to give an example.

Amphetamines are illegal.

But a compound called phenyethylamine is not(because it occurs in nature, heck its even in real chocolate) can be used to make almost any of the amphetamine class of drugs

You can even get an altered version at any health food store in weight loss products, by the name of BPEA, or betaphenylethyalamine

People do add heroin into hash oil or marijuana resin to spread and a rolling paper to smoke with tobacco or marijuana.

Youde no doubt be an addict to be at that stage. Thats not recreational in the least bit

In chemistry, soooo many possibilities

So is what I described possible or is there another way? Trust me, I'm not trying to learn how! Just curious since its part of the discussion....

Absolutely!

Then its up to the chemist, or "kitchen chemist" to make the conversions

When I was certified, I had a license to purchase drugs "for scientific purposes".

Same with how universities obtain drugs.

Ive never ordered heroin, but it is listed as an off white powder(similar to cocaine, well pure cocaine is actually yellow but anyhow)

Nobody would lace marijuana with heroin(as a dealer, nor cocaine)

Its usually the individual that does it themselves.

Ive smoked marijuana with cocaine and in no way is it pleasurable

No all heroin is tar heroin. You could probably dissolve the heroin in a solvent (i'm not sure whether heroin is alcohol soluble, but if so you could use ISO), the spray the weed and let the alcohol evap. Any chemists in here?

 

The point is, no one is going to go to that trouble to "try to hook someone on weed ". That's reefer madness level propaganda right there.

Yes, organic chemist

please expand on how it would be possible to lace a green plant, marijuana, with a black tar substance, like heroin?

 

this should be interesting.

Refined heroin can indeed be a white like powder Steve

Have to say this has been one heck of interesting read!

 

Regarding pot I'm not a smoker, but the thought of making it legal for recreational use kind of scares me.

 

I'm not going to say who, but someone I fished with this year (NO it wasn't Chris Brock ) has a medical issue and uses medicinal marijuana to control his symptoms. He had a vaporizer and was using it pretty regularly every day on our trip. In a moment of weakness one evening I took ONE puff off that thing and in 5 minutes was completely wasted - I could barely even walk LOL!

 

In many ways FAR more screwed up than I am after drinking. The thought of people getting behind the wheel of a car in that state scares the hell out of me. I'm all for medicanal use but not legalizing it for recreational use.

I dont blame ya one bit for trying. We all do some weird crap camping or on trips pretty much.

But you went 0 to 100 real quick vaping.

Like I stated earlier in this thread I dont smoke to get high, more like a buzz, and with the high potency of marijuana these days all it takes is one tiny lil chunk(like half the size of a dime) to get that.

Because I agree with medical use of prescription and non prescription drugs for folks with real life altering illness, but don't agree with same for recreational use. Yes...yes, I can see how that comes across as hypocritical.

Nah, that clears it up?

 

You eat your Doritos, I'll stick with Twinkies!!!!

They still make those? Mmmmmmm

Havent had one in 20 years probably. Darn im missing out!

LOL, can't you just shoot him in the leg.

Well in theory, absolutely!

Look up liver issues from acetaminophen.

And people complain about marijuana???

Baffles my mind(while I eat doritos?)

I have nothing against the medical use of pot, let's be clear on that. If your sick and need to get well, then people need to do what they need to do.

Yeah, but what about those sick losers laying around, being ill, eating doritos?

Your stance is hypocritical in the least

Thats rediculous...

I went from a gas pump jockey at the age of 14 to owning a plumbing company with lots of assets to draw on as I age. My first investment was stocks from my job pumping gas it was not wasted on pleasures. I have not sent a dime offshore which is legal but my retirement is secure. Sorry but with sacrifice comes reward with hard work comes reward. Ask the people who have made a million and lost a million and still managed to do it again. Not everyone will become rich but trying and sacrifices will always improve your quality of living. People who are check to check did not start out that way they had to spend more than they make. For some this was not their choice due to medical or other unplanned issue. Some abuse credit and remember the difference between being in debt and not is timing. If you do not have it do not spend it. If you spend it when you have it then you have no debt. I will be the first to lend a hand to the unfortunate however if you are not trying to better yourself then you will not get my help.

 

Art

My pops always told me, if you cant afford it in one cheque, well you cannot afford it. And pay cash, no debit.

But even then, unless your some sort of genious inventor, super math or technological savant, your never reaching the 1% unless your connected.

It might happen once in a blue moon, buts it is definitely not reality.

We are well off through hard work, education and planning, but in the real world we would never reach that "status"

Anyhow I really dont care either, as long as we are comfy and showing a good example /guidance to our children, im cool with that?

 

So do many cops.

 

I'm happy that little brother is watching.

Me as well