first of all i got plenty of worms last night ,,,not a bite today though, there was maybe 1.5 inches visibility. tried some lively minnows, didn't try a spinner tipped with worm like mdej suggested, i'll give that a shot next time. i thought the vibration from a minnow wiggglin in one spot would be my best bet,,,,no dice. didnt even get a catfish on worms,,oh well , it was still a beautiful day,,,thanks for the replies