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Bill, there are a bunch of guys out East way that zip anything they can snag at Ganny and then tie bags and sell them.

I believe it is illegal to sell roe as well, but I think the poaching angle is more from acquiring the roe...

this thread is getting kinda offtopic... anyone wants to help with post #7?

You'll have a hard time getting such specific location - get out there and cover some water

Starting in 2008, there was supposed to be a stocking of 2 additional rivers with cohos supplied by Ringwood (MEA)...Apparently that never did happen.

Yeah that's all I can seem to find too, I must have read the articles that reported it would happen...

I do remember reading about potential coho stocking in various Lake O rivers aside from the Credit in a few newspapers. After communicating with John Kendall last year, the plan to stock those rivers in 2008 never came to fruition. Also looking at the Lake O coho stocking records from 2008 through till this year, it confirms it.

I have a file on my computer somewhere that listed the rivers and the numbers they got...I'll see if I can dig it up. I may be wrong that it was MEA, but there was some type of stocking (non-MNR) that happened in 2008 unless I'm losing my marbles.

I hope I'm wrong, if these coho runs are natural I'll jump for joy.

For the most part, the salmon are done. There’s a number of places along the north shore of Lake O that get stocked and will have zombies all the way into December. On that note, there are way better things to fish for aside from salmon that aren’t half dead nor fight like a dead log in the current.

 

Back in the day, the majority of cohos used to run after Thanksgiving till early January in most rivers I fished. Can’t say the same thing for the current generation of cohos running up Lake O rivers now. The last 3-4yrs, it seems they’ve started running alongside the first runs of Chinooks going up the river. On my local rivers, they’re mostly done as well. Unless the vast majority of cohos I've seen the last 3-4yrs are strays from the Credit stockings, we could be in for an amazing wild coho fishery for a number of rivers.

Didn't MEA take over coho stocking in 2008? I suspect the returns this year (insane) were from that year class?

I don't think that project lasted long though....

Forgot to add - I tossed on a 5" bass worm on the coldest day I have ever fished in February a couple years ago. After nothing all morning this was the magic ticket bringing three of the biggest of the year to the bank... I should dig up the pictures.

Getting the fish to swim past your presentation and getting the line caught in it's mouth because you're using a super long leader with a bait that floats (marshmellow, earplug, whatever)

 

Although I've seem some fly guys that are pro at it as well, running 8ft leads off their strike indicators fishing in 3ft of water, lol.

Fish on! Comin down!

"Didja get that one on spawn sacks?"

Is it legal to catch a steelhead below a dam and release it into the sanctuary waters upstream? Provided the seaaon is open where you caught the fish, of course. Always wondered. I have seen others do this in the fall at some local dams and always figured it was a good thing, but saw two guys get into it last time, one screaming that it was illegal and the man who caught the fish must keep it or release it precisely where it was caught.

Guy was probably mad there was one less fish stuck below the dam for him to catch...

My guess is the MNR would recommend that the fish NOT be released above the dam, because in many places steelhead are deliberately kept below dams to "Protect the native resident trout population"

In my opinion that's mainly Bull for "We don't want/can't afford to build a ladder" because there are tons of examples in natural rivers where steelhead and residents co-exist just fine.

Is there a lift at this particular dam? If there is, probably nothing wrong with it but my guess is the fisheries management folks wouldn't approve.

Fantastic Chris.

I'll have a little gem to share myself shortly...

Those sticks are incredibly useless, if you can afford to just replace it.

When I started I picked up an Okuma Aventa. It blew up almost immediately, so I had it warrantied and it blew up again.

Lots of float rods out there of much higher quality for a good price!

If you want to keep it simply because you like the stick then it really isn't that big a deal to have it repaired. I'm sure you can find someone local to do it cheap.

Your lack of success with browns probably doesn't have much to do with chinooks

Bill I think the lack of success might stem from the fact that pouring a single bottle of water in that bloodbath of a creek in oakville would in fact double the flow output.

Stopped by today for a peek while I was driving through, if you are looking for entertainment you won't find a better bang for your buck. I watched a full grown man reel his treble up to the rod tip and jam it in the mouth of a salmon that was gasping its last breath, then drag the poor thing to shore for dinner.

I'm still praying for the complete irradication of Pacific Salmon from our waterways.....

Sure seems to bring out the slugs doesn't it.

I guess you guys missed my point. Roe retained is no different than fillets retained but it is usually kept for much longer AND guys do not view that freezer full of roe as part of their possession limit like they might with actual fillets. That's were the ethics come into it. It's illegal but you won't get caught. So what do you do. My bet is the guys that advocate roe fishing keep taking fish. That's unethical as well as lame and illegal.

The slaughter up north is a disgrace plain and simple and I agree locals as well as many visitors keep much more than their limit. That's why in BC, where these animals come from, you not only can't use bait or scent but as part of your salmon/steelhead tag you must write down all retained fish immediately and you are limited to an annual catch limit(that gets smaller every year). To compensate fishing clubs and the natural resources ministry designate lakes where anglers can go and catch keepers that are triploid rainbows that do not breed at all and are there for sport and food(but obviously not for eggs)

Can you direct me towards the section of the regs that states roe retained is the same as fillets? I'm not trying to stir the pot, I would honestly like to read it myself.

I'm thinking if I catch a fish and eat it the guts are a by-product and go in the garbage. If you aren't a roe fisherman and the skiens go into the trash, how is that different from bagging the eggs and putting them into the freezer?

In my opinion, its MORE ethical to use that roe rather than toss it in the can. The native population that called this great country home before we swindled it from them were masters at using every part of the animal and wasting nothing. I'm not advocating for a freezer full of roe, in fact I never have more than a ziplock or two anyway, just putting it out there that there are lots of "ethical" roe anglers that keep the odd fish and use the roe instead of trashing it.

Many parts of Bronte aren't even 15 feet wide.

Most parts of Bronte aren't even 15 feet wide...

I didn't catch any female salmon so bought a pound of roe for $20. I was told it was from farm raised fish. Seemed like a good solution to me.

I've also gone that route with decent results. Can be had cheaper if you buy in bulk.

NOTE: make sure you are actually buying this foe from a farm/hatchery and not from the idiot that left 10 carcasses at the side of the river last night...

Reproduction on the US side is not as good as here, but, being among the most adaptable fish, those trout do reproduce AND as any smart person knows trout spawn multiple times not just once like Pacific Salmon. So by killing them you eliminate their life and the opportunity to be caught multiple times on multiple runs, all so the angler has free bait. In addition the collection of roe becomes the basis for virtually all the loogan behavior you see on the river.

 

Every bait angler has their own particular spin on why it's ethical for them to collect hens for the eggs but everyone else is a jerk for the way they collect their stringer of fish for food, trophies whatever. Bottom line is that roe fishing is part of the traditional methodologies like trot lines, jug fishing, spearing, snatching, bleaching etc. They are all very effective at getting the stringer filled up but are also unsustainable and unsporting. They are also methods that are illegal in all of Canada except Ontario.

I suspect the single-night piles of 40-50 slit boots at Port Hope aren't due to roe anglers, but those who make a good buck selling the eggs for another purpose. Prepared correctly, that stuff is worth a lot of money - lake Ontario boot quality or not.

Good god man, you continue to ignore facts and just spout off useless drivel over and over again.

 

I think the funniest part of your argument is turning your own opinion into facts, then arguing them! (You ever see a fish successfully reproduce at Burt dam? LOL!!!!) Have you actually fished any of the southern shore Lake O tribs? Maybe the southern shore Lake E tribs? If you actually spent time on the rivers, you'd realize 90% of those idiots netting, snagging, ripping fish are doing it for the meat. I can't count the number of times I've been way up stream on a Gbay trib and seeing guys fill their backpacks with nice fresh nasty boot fillets with the 5 of Diamonds still sticking out of their backs. You're holier then thou attitude gets really old, really fast.

"Fish on! Coming DOWN!"

I watched a guy fillet two big hens streamside last week on GBay, the skiens got pitched right into the river along with the guts. There is a serious white-bucket brigade mentality up there. Less general looganism, but for some reason a whole lot more bow leave the river on a rope.

Again, assuming that person is within their limit it's for none of us to judge. It's the crew of guys that hang out at the Beaver and rope a limit every single day for the entire season that irks me...

Milking a fish is legal but it not only counts for your daily limit it counts toward your possession limit. This is where the poaching issue raises it's ugly head. This means that if you carry brown roe and steelhead roe, or the roe from 2 browns or 2 rainbows or you have roe from 2 trout in the freezer and you then milk a trout or keep a trout you are over your limit and are a poacher. I would say this issue applies to about 99% of the roe anglers out there and they are over most of the time. Naturally there is no enforcement so its a case of being ethical which means that the roe crowd can break the law with impunity and slap each other on the back while they strip out the future for one form of bait. Or like Bill M go to another jurisdiction such as Pennsylvania or New York and strip out their future. Well done Bill well done.

I would love to see the statistics on natural reproduction in the river that Bill is talking about... I would wager that something 1-3 percent actually spawn.

There is a reason they dump millions of fish into NY tribs, they built dams a mile from the lake on all of them.

Fish with roe, don't fish with roe, eat salmons, don't eat salmons...

As long as everyone stays within their limit then that's that. If you're looking to harass anyone head up north and watch the "locals" stringer their limit every single day.

If Bill is a poacher for keeping one or two fish a year, I guess I'm a poacher too...

Everything I own from Simms works great

1. Zara Spook

2. White Spinnerbait

Bigger is better on both items

A buck snuck up on me on the river this morning...not sure who was hunting who, I nearly had a heart attack when I looked over my shoulder and he was 10 feet away...

Even though they aren't dangerous animals it still wakes you up when Bambi's dad gets that close without making a sound.

As Lew said, lucky for him I'm not a hunter.

Studs in your boots and a good wading stick

Insane Chris,

I can't imagine ever having the patience to do that. Not at all my style, but impressive work nonetheless.

Nice stick bud!

You will enjoy it, I built myself a "no-frills" model on that blank as well and I almost always reach for it first.

My only advice is oversize everything, that thing eats leads and hooks for breakfast. It's more power than I usually need, but it sure is nice to have when a big bow is bustin' your balls down the St. Mary's or Niagara!

There was an on-farm operation that was starting up in Thunder Bay about a year back that I did some consulting work with (you can't avoid farming when you go to U of Guelph...)

To be honest I'm not sure where they are now, but they did have big plans to distribute province wide.