snag

Welcome Neighbour!

Lots of places for you folks here.

Good luck!!!!

Geoff,

I'm no expert, but

I find a nice dinner, or bottle of wine, or simply "doing" my neighbours driveway with their equipment (and showing them how to start it and maintain it) has saved me $$$ for the past 5 years!

Situations differ, respectively........

Always respect a report from a conservationalist

Beauties man!

Blah,

GBW, Good to see you Geoff!

Blah

From a while ago and yesterday(ish) more in a vortex.

Zontar prevails

Blah me me blah Blah me me blah Blah me me blah Blah me me blah Blah me me blah Blah me me blah

Meee Blah me me blah me me me me me Blah me me blah me me me me me Blah me me blah ( I probably should have abstained from licking it)

Blah me me blah meeeeeeeee

Again, me

ME me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me

It

Me and it

It

Me and it=compliance

It=displeasure and angst

Me and it

Me

Me

You - limited

INFORMATION DISPENSE:

1. h2O DEPTH

2. WIND DIRECTION

3. IMPLEMENT OF SEIZURE

DENIED,DENIED,DENIED

Yarg,

Me, it

stimulus #1

#2

#3=high insurance, keep distance

End

S.

I should have been more clear

 

I have 3 separate patents that are for USA and Canada. You have 1 year after the patent has been published to patent in other countries.

 

You do not need a patent to talk to companies to raise funds or develop partnerships a non-disclosure agreement is sufficient. That being said you may want to register a provisional patent with the Canadian and US patent offices. This will give you protection without a large cash outlay, you can do it yourself and you are not writing down claims at this point in time, claims are added when you finalize the patent. That being said any new ideas added to the finalization will be dated at the time the new ideas are registered.

 

In your case where funds are limited spend the $100 and file a provisional patent. Use a NDA with anyone you talk about concerning the invention. Find someone that is willing to fund your idea (the best candidate would be the company that will be most impacted when your product comes to market).

 

In the past 2 years our company has brought 3 products to market and 2010 we have 8 more products scheduled.

 

Let me know by PM if help is required.

 

 

Matthew

Thank you Matthew that is very kind.

I might take you up on that.

He has a few things he wants to finish designing but any help down the line is much appreciated.

Your strategy seems logical.

You can, but they must sign a disclosure/confidentiality agreement, it really will not stop you getting screwed though. However, it maybe the best strategy. If it is an add-on to a pre-existing product, approach the companies that make the product.

 

Figure out if you really think the product will make money. Most patents <1% actually generate any money. If you honestly believe that the product will be bought by tons of people, filing a patent is not only worthwhile, but essential. Otherwise no company will ever touch it. You would be amazed how many treatments for disease slip by because the inventors never protected it. Therefore, no company will put money in developing it if their rival can also make it.

 

Just bear in mind most patents make no money, so ask yourself if it is really going to be worth it.

You're right Dutchy.

It's an add on but the original manufacturers would definitely want to incorporate into their line or develop a new line.

The add-on would still be used on multi-millions of the product which has been around since the 40's, internationally.

My reasoning for partnering with a patent agent was primarily for the application verbage and most importantly a THOROUGH investigation of previous or existing patents that the layman may miss or not have access to on a home computer.

Thanks again guys!

Thanks Vanselena,

Interesting point.

I guess the fear is having to fight a company if you do not have a 3 patents (U.S., Canadian and International)

I'm wondering if he can approach a company without a patent to negotiate a royalty agreement?

I can tell you that this is a very simple, add-on product that could be stamped out.

Meaning, the claims will be uncomplicated and cooooould be drafted by my friend. Risky I know but he does not have the money to fork out at this time.

The idea of partnering with a patent agent is that they will see how simple it's claims and production would be which may interest them in becoming involved.

A patent agent could whip up the application with all claims and diagrams in an afternoon.

Tricky business this patent stuff.

You will see this product folks.

Snag... get him for 10% as an advisor! lol

Will do!

It's very frustrating.

My buddy might just give up.

It sounds like Sec. G7 on Zorgon has at least one very clever resident.

Jim

Yeah,

It's the zombie quadrant.

We feed on brains.

You are what you eat!

Very nice indeed.

You could almost turn the mirror/lake shots upside down and you wouldn't know up from down!

Great to have family and friends together; nice tradition.

Sorry to crush your buddies dream, but the Rotato has already been invented (jk...and a little embarrased that I know of the Rotato).

 

I remember being told a very long time ago, when looking to patent something, enclose the details in a self-addressed envelope, seal it, mail it to yourself, and NEVER open it. If it ever goes to trial, the postmark would be sufficient evidence.

 

I have no idea whether there is any merit to this or not, but interesting nonetheless.

 

HG

is a rotato a peeler?

Unfortunately, from what I understand the envelope thing was abolished about 15 yrs. ago.

Thanks!

Application fee is only $100 in Canada.. but you have to pay yearly maintenance fees to keep the concept active.. miss the payment and your patent is void and not revivable.

 

A patent agent or lawyer is going to add, at minimum $4000 to the equation... more than likely $7500.

 

Defending the patent if some big corp decides to copy it anyhow... out of most peoples price range... and I'm speaking for experience there. I own all the patents for Enviroseal electrical boxes (plastic box, foam seals for wire push thru and snap over vapour barrier wall board sealing ring). Thomas and Betts copied them and flooded the market with their product, already having ins with CTC / HH / HD / Ideal / Westburne etc, and not much we could do to defend it.

 

Trying the royalty idea is a gamble ,, big gamble,, that requires some real finese to not get taken for the idea. As HG points out... a real good spot to send your idea to yourself registered mail and never open it... in fact send it Registered mail to your lawyer as well and instruct them to do the same.

Buggers!!!!

You've echoed his worst fears!

I told him a patent is only a licence to sue.

You can probably see where I was heading.

Get a patent agent/lawyer to partner with you to reduce the expense or go for the royalty.

Seems that unless you already have millions to back yourself legally, you'll be robbed, openly.

It's basically, the 1st to market wins.

My advice was:

1. Forget getting rich

2. Partner with a patent agent/lawyer who believes in the product.

3. Share the status of co-inventor with the patent agent/lawyer as long as they sign a confidentiality agreement and agree to develop the submission of the patent document/application/claims for part ownership.

4. Licence the invention for royalties shared with Patent partner.

5. Accept 49-51% of something with some meager royalties is better than nothing!

How does that sound??

Thanks

A friend has a nifty idea for a standard household item and wants to either partner up with a patent agent or just approach a company for royalties.

Obviously I can't divulge his idea but it definitely has merit.

A brief patent search has not produced much competition.

Thanks

4 in a day is pretty darn good!

I have to agree with you on the eyes too.

Well done as always.

You're one tough cookie!

Cursed?

From what I've seen from you being "cursed" does not seem to be problematic.

Well done,

p.s. you could've tossed those poor chaps a can opener!

Whatever, show-off!

If nothing else you're consistant!

Just another day at the office

When is she having a show/gallery?

Outstanding!!!

Dang Dawg!

You do like to do it the right way!

Those are awesome man

P.s. the cheque (check=yankee) is in the mail

I've run out of positive adjectives.

I'm just waiting for:

1. the book(s)

2. the movie(s)

I'd be happy to test a few

Great job!

Brilliant!

Like Roy said,

What a charmed life you have!

Nice when you can walk out to the fish section of the grocery store and catch a meal!!

Thanks!

As I reported earlier in the fall, I saw my first and only one in Toronto this year.

Approx. 24" and scratched up pretty bad.

Cool Ryan

You'll be grid free when you conduct the lightning to your collection of golfcart batteries!

Good job!

Yeah, I'm jealous too.

No musky for me this year

Well, done and thanks for the info too.

Cheers,

S.

Hey,

Great shots ya got there.

I think I'll pay more attention to the appendages from now on.

I need a warm drink now.Brrrrrrrrrrr

Hurry and cast that rig, It's Muskie season!!!

Wat he said!

Pronto!

i applaud the ringwood hatchery and the work they do for the recreation chinook salmon fishery.

i just tire of chronz wannabes always slagging on bios...

thanks for at least being civil. there's more constructive ways to debate than to call someone an asshat. then again, most of these belly achers aren't the constructive type.

Thank you for the clarification.

I'm not aware of the debate but hope that our fisheries are protected by the right folks.

I'm all for educated information.

Cheers,