jedimaster

Its also safe to eat fish with worms growing inside of there flesh... yummy

I also saw a manure truck jam its brakes the slop went over the cab then over the back and covered a mustang convertable.... doo bad the top wasn't down... haha

I saw an ostrich running down steeles avenue a few years ago.

Kadri and jvr had great games. Reimer looked solid but yet another goal through the wickets.

Biggest (average weight): Washington (209.5), Kings (209.3), Ottawa (208.1), San Jose (207.5), Phoenix (207.0).

Leafs are now tipping 206.5 depending on who fills in for the injured folks..

Honeslty I think Orr is done, and Brown is hurt. I say line up the leaf end to end with 6'5" + guys and have at her. I mean they don't even need to dress with hockey gloves. It'll save some cash for new teeth. He isn't reporting until friday btw. I like the idea of a 700 pound 4th line.

Ahh ok I see

PIcked up a new guy off waivers, 6'5" 250 pound AHL'r from San Jose. Never heard of him. Anyone know anything about him? Frazer McLaren

Just got word back from OFAH, and they will not cover rescue fees. However they will cover medical transportation while fishing upto 1000 dollars to the nearest hospital.

I have been doing a fair bit of digging and Search and Rescue charges are a big issue in many outdoors activities...I don't think any government body anywhere would ever say any ice is safe. Just like how the MNR wouldn't post signs saying there is hunting in this area ot hunting in that area to warn hikers. Doing so would mean they are accepting some sort of liability. I mean we have all heard them say "Ice if unsafe" have you ever heard them go back on tv and say "ok its been below 0 for a week and the ice is safe again". Never not gonna happen.

http://www.durhamregion.com/community/community/article/1517006

Is it illegal to walk on thin ice? NO

Is it illegal to smoke in bed? NO

 

Is it stupid to walk on thin ice? YES

Is it stupid to smoke in bed? YES

 

Can walking on thin ice put rescuers in a life threatening situation? YES

Can smoking in bed put rescuers in a life threatening situation? YES

 

Now answer these two questions for me:

 

Should a homeowner be charged for rescue from a fire?

Should an ice fisherman be charged for an ice rescue?

 

If the answers are different, please justify.

In the home instance yes you will pay for service.Thats just hoe it goes. Its not free for them to show up and put the fire out. You will get a bill. If you don't pay it gets added to your following years tax bill.

It depends on the municipality how much and what services you pay for.

For toronto here are the fees for an automobile response.

28. Emergency Response to vehicle incident - non City resident First hour or part thereof, per fire vehicle 300.00

29. Emergency Response to vehicle incident - non City Resident Each additional half hour or part thereof, per fire vehicle 120.00

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/bylaws/1998/law0133.htm

Do the citizens pay taxes for fire services?

Not really. Someone has to pay, your car insurance, house insurance or you.tax dollars supports the system but it doesn't pay for everything. Same goes for EMS.

Not sure, but here is the details from there website... I think a call to ofah is in order.

SGI Canada through the Great North Wildlife Affiliates Ontario, in partnership with the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba have jointly formed the GNWA (Great North Wildlife Affiliates) and are pleased to offer a Personal Liability, Club Liability, Range Liability and Accidental Death Coverages Program.

This insurance coverage is specifically designed for anglers and hunters who join as members of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters. When the OFAH head office receives your membership fees, the following coverage begins and covers you while engaged in activities such as hunting, fishing, skeet, trap or target shooting, archery, conservation work, non-commercial trapping and camping in connection with the above noted activities. Please see declaration of insurance for more.

$3,000,000 for Public Liability including defence and investigation charges ($250 deductible on property damage claims) $1,000 for reasonable medical expenses if you accidentally injure someone else. There is also $10,000 in case for forest fire fighting expense.

The above coverage is excess to any other liability coverage that you currently have (ie. your home owner's insurance). If you do not have home owner's insuranceof your home owner's policy denies coerage, this coverage becomes primary coverage.

This policy provides no coverage for automobiles, boats, motors, ATV's or snowmobiles, as this is typically provided through a home and/or auto insurance policy.

There's More!

In addition to the above coverage, OFAH members in good standing are also covered for:

• $5,000 in insurance for accidental death or dismemberment that results while engaged in activities such as hunting, fishing, skeet, trap or target shooting, archery, conservation work, non-commercial trapping and conservation activities.
• $3000 Accidental Dental Expense
• $50 daily hospital cash (up to max. $1,500)
• $15,000 rehabilitation benefit
• $15,000 occupational training for spouse of deceased member (all of the above subject to policy wordings, terms and conditions)
• $15,000 Death Repatriation

Note: This is for all members in good standing that are injured while engaged in the activities described above.

The Plan covers:

• OFAH member anywhere in Canada
• The spouse and depended children (under the age of 21) if a Family Membership has been taken out with the OFAH

Optional Coverages Available:

• Club Comprehensive General Liability for club and OFAH related activities ($3,000,000 limit).
• Range Liability covering all shooting range members ($3,000,000 limit).
• D&O Liability Coverage ($2,000,000 limit)
• Optional $2,000,000 Umbrella Liability

Note: For all Club liability insurance questions, please contact the OFAH Club Services representative at head office.

For more details contact:

Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters
PO Box 2800
Peterborough, ON
K9J 8L5

Phone: 705-748-6324
Fax: 705-748-9577

I think I can solve this whole thread with one little picture....

However I totally agree that the bill this guy got is WAY WAY WAY overboard. I mean why did port perry send out every friggin firetruck for a guy with a busted up leg and soaking wet on shore? That part makes no sense to me.

Getting a bill imo is justified... the amount however is way way high imo

I mean I would be showing up in court with words like "Gross Negligence" and "Misappropriate of Funds"

The base argument here is should an ice fisherman pay for rescue. I ice fish regularly and I have to admit I think I probably should pay, but I think there should be the option for insurance coverage or the option to do community service in lieu of payment.

Here is an example of a skiers insurance company, I got it one time when I was snowboarding heli style... The operators tell you about it. I think that is what its going to come down to in the end. That ice fisherman will need to carry ice fishing rescue insurance. That's with I mention ofah. heck it may even be part of the ofah insurance policy as it is.

http://www.holidayguard.com/Ski-Insurance.html

That's just for ambulance... for fire you are responsible for the full cost. Its up to the municipality as to what the charges are.

http://www.mississauga.ca/file/COM/firefees2011.pdf

The caveat that people don't know is that in a car accident your car insurance company gets the bill, if its on your property fire response is covered under you house insurance afaik. So when you are out on your own off your property you are fair game for getting a bill.

That's why they have emergency response insurance for back country skiers. Its like 3 dollars a day. OFAH should really jump on this as an opportunity.

Don't forget the last time I checked you have to pay for other emergency services like taking an ambulance. 45 dollars last time I checked if its an emergency and 250 if its not. I mean if I drop of a heart attack and get a ride in an ambulance and need to pay than why shouldn't a person pay if they are ice fishing?

I am not sure what the deal is with fire rescue.

I put in an order for a rescue air boat..and I am going to start an ice rescue service....they charge 5000.00 a rescue, i will charge 2000 bucks a rescue

 

wonder if I can get a number like 822 or *911 or 1800in the water

haha good idea.... better buy the domain name

cheaprescue.com

I wonder if this guy is a member of OFAH, he may be able to get some legal help from them. I think for skiing there is insurance you can buy in case you need a rescue the insurance covers it. I really see no difference between an Ice rescue and a skiing OOB rescue. However I can see both sides of the equation and after 6 pages I am still torn on this topic.

Its a very difficult idea to get your head around having to pay for emergency services, but I truly truly believe that there are instances where people should be held accountable. Sure car accident, held up at gun point, medical condition etc... but some thing you are willingly putting yourself at a much higher risk than normal and as such I think you should pay either by a fine or community service. Perhaps with a sing on your back saying "I am picking up garbage because I needed rescue while ice fishing in 13 degree weather" I just really don't know where the lines should be drawn, or even if there should be, its just the feeling I get when things like this happen. You can't necessarily teach someone common sense, but perhaps you and train it like a dog. I dunno, maybe I am just being stupid.

If you are standing on the slippery slope and fall in while making the call I tihnk you get the bill yes.

And further, perhaps the total amount of rescue dollars for stupidity is insignificant in the end. Does anyone have any budgetary stats on the issue? If we are talking about 1 percent of the budget goes to rescuing exteeme danger activities etc... than perhaps its just not worth it to go after someone for rescues.