Hairpy

How do you decifer what a resident and a migratory brown strain is? They are the same. Most will drop out of a river unless they are above a barrier as the water gets too warm and its in their dna to migrate. The browns we stock in the credit are from gametes of the migratory kind grown from eggs to smolts and stocked below norval. In the last few years the numbers of nice browns caught in the lower/mid credit are returning adults of the ones we stocked over the last 5-7 years in decent numbers. We are talking about the possble inshore stocking of browns around credit/humber area to possibly create a super awesome brown fishery for all to enjoy but the biggest hurdle is the cold north shore waters.

 

The MNR's position on stocking the rivers is that most browns stocked in the rivers will stay in the rivers. Some will drop out to the lake if they get too big for the river, if there is an over population, or a shortage of food. However, the strain of browns being stocked are a resident river strain; they don't have the same drive to smolt out of the rives that salmon and steel head do. This is the MNR's data; not my opinion.

 

Based on the MNR data, stocking the rivers will create a fishery for resident river browns; not a lake fishery.

Rainbow trout fry are incredibly temperature tolerant withstanding water temps of up to 80 degrees I'm sure plenty survive the summer. If Beeton Creek can produce rainbow smolts the Credit below Norval can.

Beeton Creek would run similar temps as black and silver creek which works really well for reproduction. The main river however is much warmer as it runs wide open through brampton and mississauga urbanization. Imagine how well they would all do if they were allowed to grow in close to ideal conditions. Why use a hatchery to grow chinooks when you could let them spawn on thier own.

. That should be well far enough up river to reproduce effectively IMO.

 

 

Brian , the chinnies would do fine and I'm not sure why they cant collect eggs at Norval. But the other fry need a full summer over and the water below Norval is waay too warm for the fry to survive

Craa have the fish ladder also dam at Kraft property, where after the fish ladder, Craa bring all the fish up to Norvall for hatchery and release back above the Norvall.

 

That a lot of barricade to stop the fish go up stream all the way to Norval, and above Norval all the way to Caledon.

 

So far I know, Atlantic need cold water for the spawning, and the credit below Norval is not cold enough for Atlantic spawning.

I see every years at CRAA statistic for Atlantic Salmon, have increase the return back at Credit, but most of the Atlantic is from hatchery, and not natural reproduction.

Due the shallow water on the credit, and a lot of barricade all long the credit, that make hard time for Salmon and trout go up stream for spawning, special for Atlantic.

 

I do believe this petition is not for Chinook only, but also for Atlantic, Brown, Steelhead, and other species.

? The ladder in streetsville is open after the coho eggs are collected. CRAA does not "have" the fish ladder , it is operated by the MNR and we help periodically. CRAA does not brign the fish to Norval as they get up there on thier own , then they are brought to better spawning habitat.

Joseph

Ron , I sent you a pm

Most likely with all the wind and rain , might be better above the power dams

All is well at the CRAA Hatchery We currently have Steelead , Browns , coho's and Atlantics are on thier way soon. Here's Emily workin away at the baby Steelies We Just fishing stocking 3546 Atlantics and 7880 browns. We are always looking for helpers let me know if you are interested .

Joseph

HH , i've always had good luck on 2and 3inch power minnows with a 1/16 oz bullet head jig. Also pink and white tubes in 1 inch work good as well. look for some dirty water in shallow ;-)

Joseph

If you can drop it by angling specialties i'm sure Tom can fix it quick

Joseph

Bunk, pretty sure its an automated counter lol , i've been thinking of putting one in our river but its hard to find an accurate one.

Joseph

Paul, you always praising the states for being such an awesome fishery but yet you continue to shoot your mouth off behind a computer and actually do nothing to help out on our side of the pond? Put up or shut up.

Joseph

I think its a big misconception that the paying clients really WANT to take the fish home and that they would not get their money's worth otherwise. Its old school thinking, look around the world , doesn;t look like out west is having any decline in customers because there are special limits in place.

There are rainbows that spawn in the fall but very little , usually its a hatchery fish.

Joseph

Sorry to hear about your Uncle's health Mike

On a Happy note I may have some waders for your son that might fit better lol ! Emily has breathables now and Erin just turned 4 , let me know.

Joseph

8 or 10 lb Ande for a very long time , tried other mainlines but nothing works as good for my bad casting abilities

Joseph

Great details Mike , I might also add when it gets stupid cold that the fish will be in the laziest spots like slack inside seems that you normally would cast over

Joseph

Too funny Mike , I haven't talked to Andrew for awhile , hope he's doing well.

There are lots of places to go and have some solitude , just doing a little research helps and so does a canoe.

Joseph

WE can count just fine Snidley CRAA's not doing enough for the fishery because you're not there , we would love more of your quality input

Joseph

Bill i'm not bashing Marc , do you fish the grand when its 90 degrees outside? Wouldn't it be kind of the same thing?

It's how he pays his bills... And he's probably booked way in advance because of his reputation.... So to cancel 2-3 weeks of bookings your talking about a good chunk of his annual income...

 

He is very experienced and will obviously go to great lengths to ensure the health of the fish like most musky anglers....

 

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So because its HIS liveleyhood its OK to target fish knowing that it could be detrimental to the fish even though the intention is catch and release? I'm confused

Cudo's to Marc for reviving a beutiful fish but would it not make more sense to just not target them when its stupid hot out?

Joseph

Angling Specialties and Fishing World in Hamilton should have it

Joseph

Circle hooks is what you need man and not small ones, we were getting trout over 5 lbs down there a few weeks ago. I think mustad makes em.

Good Luck !

Joseph

Paul where so you get your info from? The Atlantic program is alive and well and benefits a lot of other things in its path. CRAA is backtracking? what the hell does that even mean? Everytime you post you make negative comments about CRAA and others but yet you continue to do NOTHING to help the fishery, please go away.

Joseph Ward

CRAA Hatchery Manager

Paul if you think new york and Penn are doing well you are a moron , when is the last time the Catt fished well. And no offense to erie fish but they are a far cry from Lake O wild steelhead I wont even bother going down that way anymore. Stocked fish are boring the end...

Thanks for the kind words Mike ! Yeah we keep inviting Snidley to come and help with the fish ladder , the hatchery , the boat launch, the tree planting and many other events but no he's too busy whinning from behind his computer

Joseph