Covid vacine, will you,wont you ?

[misfish]

49 minutes ago, DanD said:

I hear you!

My daughter's little girl was born last April and it was July before our doctor felt it was safe for me to hold my granddaughter. Last weekend we were able to have our oldest (3 years old) granddaughter for a sleep over. So I know what you're saying; can't wait till we get another chance with another grandkid.

Dan.   

Really need a home made pizza fix with her Dan.

[Old Ironmaker]

On 11/19/2020 at 4:22 PM, RickOnt said:

HH  You say  " most if not all take it"

There are 37 million in Canada.

The health minister said  4  million doses from Pfizer and 2 million doses from

Moderna by March.

Someone will miss out.

 

On 11/19/2020 at 4:22 PM, RickOnt said:

HH  You say  " most if not all take it"

There are 37 million in Canada.

The health minister said  4  million doses from Pfizer and 2 million doses from

Moderna by March.

Someone will miss out.

Rick, there is a shortage of this seasons flu shot. My wife works at a Shoppers that will administer the shot. They made the same numbers of the vacine pre Covid-19 and this Fall most everyone wants the shot thus the shortage. Those with pre excisting conditions such as Diabetes, Cancer, heart decease and age to name a few will get this years vacine first. The same will go with the C-19 vacine. 

[DRIFTER_016]

On 11/18/2020 at 4:08 PM, T-Bone said:

That's recovery from the initial symptoms. Of the people I know that have had it (all healthy, relatively young people prior), all speak of a very long-haul to getting back to feeling 'normal', some things change forever (lung capacity), and another guy I know that had it in March just died a fatal heart attack...out of nowhere...dropped on the spot. There is growing evidence the virus has after-effects on the brain, heart, lungs, liver...etc. 

I'll get the vaccine. As stated, better to risk that than getting the virus...or living with the after-effects. 

Also...more evidence showing antibodies only last about 6-months in those that get it...so if you've had the virus it certainly doesn't mean you can't get it again. 

My Dr's are certain I had it back at the end of January. By the beginning of February I was sicker than I have ever been. It got worse from there. By the first week of March (the same time the first reported death of COVID in Canada happened) I had to go to emergency for the second time. I couldn't breathe and felt like I was dying. The emerg Dr thought I was having congestive heart failure. Lots of x-rays, tests later that was proven not the case. They didn't know what was going on. While there my BP spiked at 200/140 and my oxygen levels dropped to 80% at one point. After most of the day in there I stabilized and they sent me home. Still couldn't breathe.

My Sr sent me to heart and lung specialists had to fly to Edmonton for some of my heart tests. After all the tests they still found nothing. This virus does some weird things and they are only now starting to figure them out. I had severe chest pains and pain radiating down my left arm and across my collar bone for months, I couldn't breathe for months, my blood chemistry was completely screwed up. I had issues with my stomach, liver, heart and lungs.

My heart/chest pain finally subsided at the end of June. 5 1/2 months after I first got sick.

The stomach issues are still there, the blood issues worked themselves out with the help of a pile of prescriptions. 

I was so weak I could barely function for months. I'm now at 10 months since I first got sick and am still not 100%. I don't know when or if I will ever be.

I've had a headache for months, can't remember things and and can't concentrate.

But I hear some people say it's just the flu. 

It turns out I'm in a group of people that have had COVID symptoms for more than 90 days (2.2% of people that have had COVID). 

As of today I'm on day 311   😷 

I would bet $$$$$ that this thing has shortened my life. By how much I don't know.

OH, my arthritis is 2 to 3 times worse now as well. I can barely walk, my back has me doubled over most days. Cortisone shots in my spine have been helping but they only do a small section at a time. Each time I go I have to fly to Edmonton to get them done and then when I get back to Yellowknife I have to self isolate for 14 days because of the virus. As of December 20th I will have had to self isolate 48 days since the end of June. 

But it's OK, it's only the flu. 

[DRIFTER_016]

One more thing. With the numbers heading up again and lockdown's happening there are all those family members that we can't see now. Your loved one in the hospital dying of cancer, old age or some other ailment are going to die alone. You won't be able to be there comforting them.

Your mother, father or grand parents in the seniors home, long term care facility.

Nope, can't see them either. My dad moved into a long term care facility on March 12th. It was locked down on the 14th. He didn't see anyone outside of hospital staff until July. I could tell that it was really taking a toll on the old fella. Last Friday he passed away in University Hospital in London Ontario. Now I'm here in Ontario hoping I have some immunity to this COVID crap while I deal with pops estate and funeral. Luckily he was able to have visitors even though he was on a floor with COVID patients or he would have died alone.

 

[Old Ironmaker]

16 hours ago, DanD said:

never get between two nurses. LOL

Dan. 

Oh I can think of worse things. 

T Bone, anyone ever tell you that you look like Pike Mike from a cuplull of Friday night fight   

[woodenboater]

1 hour ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

My Dr's are certain I had it back at the end of January. By the beginning of February I was sicker than I have ever been. It got worse from there. By the first week of March (the same time the first reported death of COVID in Canada happened) I had to go to emergency for the second time. I couldn't breathe and felt like I was dying. The emerg Dr thought I was having congestive heart failure. Lots of x-rays, tests later that was proven not the case. They didn't know what was going on. While there my BP spiked at 200/140 and my oxygen levels dropped to 80% at one point. After most of the day in there I stabilized and they sent me home. Still couldn't breathe.

My Sr sent me to heart and lung specialists had to fly to Edmonton for some of my heart tests. After all the tests they still found nothing. This virus does some weird things and they are only now starting to figure them out. I had severe chest pains and pain radiating down my left arm and across my collar bone for months, I couldn't breathe for months, my blood chemistry was completely screwed up. I had issues with my stomach, liver, heart and lungs.

My heart/chest pain finally subsided at the end of June. 5 1/2 months after I first got sick.

The stomach issues are still there, the blood issues worked themselves out with the help of a pile of prescriptions. 

I was so weak I could barely function for months. I'm now at 10 months since I first got sick and am still not 100%. I don't know when or if I will ever be.

I've had a headache for months, can't remember things and and can't concentrate.

But I hear some people say it's just the flu. 

It turns out I'm in a group of people that have had COVID symptoms for more than 90 days (2.2% of people that have had COVID). 

As of today I'm on day 311   😷 

I would bet $$$$$ that this thing has shortened my life. By how much I don't know.

OH, my arthritis is 2 to 3 times worse now as well. I can barely walk, my back has me doubled over most days. Cortisone shots in my spine have been helping but they only do a small section at a time. Each time I go I have to fly to Edmonton to get them done and then when I get back to Yellowknife I have to self isolate for 14 days because of the virus. As of December 20th I will have had to self isolate 48 days since the end of June. 

But it's OK, it's only the flu. 

man I hope you can have a full recovery from this and that we can see more photos of your cabin build, and that you get to enjoy the cabin till a ripe old age, and then some.

 

stay safe and be well

[Big Cliff]

2 hours ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

My Dr's are certain I had it back at the end of January. By the beginning of February I was sicker than I have ever been. It got worse from there. By the first week of March (the same time the first reported death of COVID in Canada happened) I had to go to emergency for the second time. I couldn't breathe and felt like I was dying. The emerg Dr thought I was having congestive heart failure. Lots of x-rays, tests later that was proven not the case. They didn't know what was going on. While there my BP spiked at 200/140 and my oxygen levels dropped to 80% at one point. After most of the day in there I stabilized and they sent me home. Still couldn't breathe.

My Sr sent me to heart and lung specialists had to fly to Edmonton for some of my heart tests. After all the tests they still found nothing. This virus does some weird things and they are only now starting to figure them out. I had severe chest pains and pain radiating down my left arm and across my collar bone for months, I couldn't breathe for months, my blood chemistry was completely screwed up. I had issues with my stomach, liver, heart and lungs.

My heart/chest pain finally subsided at the end of June. 5 1/2 months after I first got sick.

The stomach issues are still there, the blood issues worked themselves out with the help of a pile of prescriptions. 

I was so weak I could barely function for months. I'm now at 10 months since I first got sick and am still not 100%. I don't know when or if I will ever be.

I've had a headache for months, can't remember things and and can't concentrate.

But I hear some people say it's just the flu. 

It turns out I'm in a group of people that have had COVID symptoms for more than 90 days (2.2% of people that have had COVID). 

As of today I'm on day 311   😷 

I would bet $$$$$ that this thing has shortened my life. By how much I don't know.

OH, my arthritis is 2 to 3 times worse now as well. I can barely walk, my back has me doubled over most days. Cortisone shots in my spine have been helping but they only do a small section at a time. Each time I go I have to fly to Edmonton to get them done and then when I get back to Yellowknife I have to self isolate for 14 days because of the virus. As of December 20th I will have had to self isolate 48 days since the end of June. 

But it's OK, it's only the flu. 

Well first of all I am terribly sorry to hear about your dad, my condolences to you and your family. 

You sound like a mirror copy of what happened to me, months of problems, zero energy, feeling like I had been hit by a truck and yes, couldn't walk 50 yards to my mail box without having to sit down and catch my breath, it got so bad I actually went to bed and hoped I wouldn't wake up in the morning. I too have been through all the heart tests, x-rays,  breathing tests, blood pressure and heart rate through the roof..... I finally started feeling almost normal about the end of September,  I am still not 100% but then I am almost a year older too. (I'll be 75 in January) Today my breathing is pretty good, 95% O2 after walking about 100yards at a good clip wearing a mask (which I do find makes it harder to breath), my blood pressure is back down to an average of 130/70 which for me is pretty good (when I was really feeling bad it was up around 195/115 with heart rates around 100), I am back to sleeping about 7 hours a night, for a while it was 16 or more hours a day. I think I am one of the lucky ones, I seem to be getting better and stronger every day now. I hope your recovery is as good if not better than mine seems to be. Stay safe and god bless. 😊

[AKRISONER]

9 hours ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

One more thing. With the numbers heading up again and lockdown's happening there are all those family members that we can't see now. Your loved one in the hospital dying of cancer, old age or some other ailment are going to die alone. You won't be able to be there comforting them.

.

 

This exact scenario is playing out with my friends dad right now. He is in the hospital very very sick and his family is not able to see him. He has been alone for two weeks with organs failing him and only one person every two days can see him for 3 hours. 
 

and with the new lockdown he may be totally cut off.

[Sinker]

I'm sorry you guys have had a rough go, but I'm still not taking the vaccine. 

I don't feel I need it, and I don't want to add that crap to my otherwise perfectly fine immune system. 

I live rural, I stay to myself, and I don't like most people, so this isolating thing is nothing new to me. I can keep this up forever and not even blink an eye. 

Now with this lockdown, i have to worry about GTA'ers invading my small town, and bringing this crap out there. 

Its a gong show. 

 

s. 

[cisco]

The 'vaccine' is a little less than the media is pushing forth according to Dr Fauci. Google "Fauci vaccine treats symptoms" to read his own words. VERY important perspective nobody has heard or been led to understand correctly....

Here is one article quoting him...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8884031/Dr-Fauci-warns-early-COVID-19-vaccines-prevent-symptoms-not-block-infection.html

So from what I'm reading the proposed 'vaccines' are just able to treat symptoms rather than kill the virus. This is great since it will lessen the numbers of people dying from severe symptoms BUT the virus will still be spreading perhaps even more since people think they are vaccinated and then go visit Grandparents. WRONG decision!!!! The proposed 'vaccines' will increase the number of asymptomatic carriers who will unknowingly spread the virus more than before. 

Google it and several other Fauci interviews are available where he explains how symptoms will be treated by the first round of vaccines only. IMHO shouldn't be called a 'vaccine' but rather a 'symptom reducing medication'.

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by cisco

[MJIG]

1 hour ago, cisco said:

So from what I'm reading the proposed 'vaccines' are just able to treat symptoms rather than kill the virus. This is great since it will lessen the numbers of people dying from severe symptoms BUT the virus will still be spreading perhaps even more since people think they are vaccinated and then go visit Grandparents. WRONG decision!!!! The proposed 'vaccines' will increase the number of asymptomatic carriers who will unknowingly spread the virus more than before. 

“The general consensus among health experts and government agencies is that the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, who are at a greater risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19, should get immunized first.“

Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/7468036/canada-coronavirus-vaccine-rollout/amp/

If the public health officials follow through on vaccinating the most vulnerable first, followed by the health-care workers etc, and if the vaccines work as hoped (that is, prime the recipient’s own immune system to be able to recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus and thus ward off illness and severe illness if later exposed to the actual virus) a visit to a vaccinated grandparent should be safe, eventually.

We certainly hope that is eventually the case, because until then we all need to continue to rigorously follow the public health measures that are meant to reduce transmission (physical distancing from everyone outside your household/bubble, hand washing after touching surfaces, masking to limit droplet spread, minimizing exposure/transmission as much as possible by staying home if feeling unwell, and limiting in-person shopping to essential items.)

If/when there is an effective vaccine, your tactics can change to protecting yourself by getting your vaccination. It won’t matter if someone you know chooses not to get vaccinated as they can’t harm you after you are vaccinated, nor can they harm a vaccinated senior by their own personal choice to reject an available vaccine. 

[cisco]

I agree MJIG. But I'll also advise we push to understand the other vaccine candidates that have/are being developed by other jurisdictions to find one that actually kills/stops the virus rather than treat its symptoms. I read a bit on the Russian vaccine and nothing on the Chinese one, but our MSM sure seem geared towards just promoting pushing the German/USA one and the USA one. The Russian one was given to front-line medical staff and the military so it would be good to follow along. Same with China.  

A California-based vaccine developer is currently being investigated since it was claiming some kind of great success so shares went up like 3000% and its CEO then sold his shares. Profit-driven vaccine is just fine if it works as we wish rather than as a CEO/BOD wishes.  

Oh I just Googled to find Russia claims its vaccine is 92% effective and it seems to develop antibodies that kill the virus. 

An older article re Russian vaccine from the BBC...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54036221

Here;s a BBC one on the Chinese vaccine where they have so few cases they are testing in other countries such as Brazil...or Argentina (don't recall), Turkey, etc.. China seems to have done extremely well re lockdown measures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54982910

Sorry about not including the china article last night. Somehow didn't get attached.

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by cisco

[woodenboater]

I really thought China would be first out of the gate with a vaccine, well, because they can do whatever they want, and they have the willpower. But now wondering if their problem with developing vaccine and trials is trying to find enough people who may get infected. Their draconian early clampdowns may actually harm them as the virus is probably not circulating as much, as in, oh I dunno, the US and UK. 

Also I'm of the understanding, so far, that while it may very well be effective in preventing deaths/ serious health problems, it doesn't necessarily mean that one can't infect people. So masking and distancing will still be important for those who get jabbed.

[Headhunter]

60 Minutes ran a segment last night about "Long haulers" and no, they don't mean truck drivers. Just another level of nastiness being delivered by this virus...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-long-haulers-60-minutes-2020-11-22/

HH

[OhioFisherman]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-examining-link-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-covid-19/story?id=74043579

This was from a couple of weeks ago.

[Old Ironmaker]

Big Dave Drifter, I hope you haven't permanent damage. It sounds like you beat the Grim Reaper. Remember what I said long ago about enjoying things while you can. 

Dave I missed where you said Dad passed. Our deepest condolences to you. We lost Mom and Dad within 8 months of one another about a year or so ago after living very long fruitful lives, 92 and 86 respectivley. My wife and I are glad that they didn't have to live through this covid thing sitting in thier apartment isolated from us all. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Old Ironmaker

[cisco]

7 hours ago, woodenboater said:

I really thought China would be first out of the gate with a vaccine, well, because they can do whatever they want, and they have the willpower. But now wondering if their problem with developing vaccine and trials is trying to find enough people who may get infected. Their draconian early clampdowns may actually harm them as the virus is probably not circulating as much, as in, oh I dunno, the US and UK. 

Also I'm of the understanding, so far, that while it may very well be effective in preventing deaths/ serious health problems, it doesn't necessarily mean that one can't infect people. So masking and distancing will still be important for those who get jabbed.

The second article I just added to my last post discusses the aspect of China going to other countries where enough people are virus exposed to determine results.

[DRIFTER_016]

On 11/23/2020 at 10:06 AM, Headhunter said:

60 Minutes ran a segment last night about "Long haulers" and no, they don't mean truck drivers. Just another level of nastiness being delivered by this virus...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-long-haulers-60-minutes-2020-11-22/

HH

That is what I'm dealing with.

I'm in month #10 of this hell. 😠

[DRIFTER_016]

On 11/23/2020 at 1:56 PM, Old Ironmaker said:

Big Dave Drifter, I hope you haven't permanent damage. It sounds like you beat the Grim Reaper. Remember what I said long ago about enjoying things while you can. 

Dave I missed where you said Dad passed. Our deepest condolences to you. We lost Mom and Dad within 8 months of one another about a year or so ago after living very long fruitful lives, 92 and 86 respectivley. My wife and I are glad that they didn't have to live through this covid thing sitting in thier apartment isolated from us all. 

It's been a tough year OI.

Between the COVID thing and losing my dad my pup also died this summer. 

This crappy year can end anytime now. I've had about as much as I can handle.

[Headhunter]

2 minutes ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

That is what I'm dealing with.

I'm in month #10 of this hell. 😠

Dang! I hope it passes soon for you!

so, as someone who has it and is still trying to get rid of it, I find myself wanting to ask you..

Given what you know now and had it been available to you, would you take the vax given the chance?

Thanks,

HH

 

[DRIFTER_016]

1 minute ago, Headhunter said:

Dang! I hope it passes soon for you!

so, as someone who has it and is still trying to get rid of it, I find myself wanting to ask you..

Given what you know now and had it been available to you, would you take the vax given the chance?

Thanks,

HH

 

Yes, I wouldn't wish this on anyone except a few people living in Ottawa.  😉

Even though most people get over it quickly with no real issues I wouldn't take the chance that you could end up really sick. I don't think it's worth it.  

[OhioFisherman]

I have what doctors have called a virulent form of MS, my immune system is attacking the Myelin sheath around my Central Nerve System. That said? I figure if I get COVID I am a dead duck, but there isn't much info on what a COVID vaccine might also do to an immune system.

Doctors, nurses want more data before championing vaccines

By CHRISTOPHER ROWLAND

The Washington Post

Doctors and nurses, coping with the daily risk of coronavirus exposure, are expected to get top priority to receive vaccines that could become available as soon as next month. But it’s an open question how many will seize their place at the front of the line.

Large health systems, medical societies and the federal government are launching an effort to persuade frontline health care providers to take novel vaccines that were developed, and are likely to be granted emergency approval, in record time.

In Boston, major teaching hospitals are rolling out educational videos aimed at assuring medical staff the process of developing coronavirus vaccines will result in safe and effective shots. At New York’s Mount Sinai Health System, a leading infectious disease doctor said he likely will distribute photos of himself getting a shot in a bid to build confidence in front-line staff.

Hospitals in urban areas are taking additional measures to make sure ethnic and racial minority members, who form a large percentage of their front line nursing and support staffs, receive rapid information about the safety and effectiveness of the new vaccines.

Winning buy-in from doctors and nurses is crucial to gaining broader public support for the vaccines, based on the high degree of trust placed in them by patients. The hesitancy of some health care workers is attracting attention as the first two vaccines, from Pfizer and Moderna, near deployment. Pfizer and its partner, BioNTech, filed their Food and Drug Administration application for emergency use on Friday.

Polling last month showed that 58% of U.S. adults were willing to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. A Pew Research Center poll in September found 51% of Americans said they would definitely or probably get a coronavirus vaccine.

Medical experts said attitudes among doctors, nurses and the public could shift quickly as new data are revealed. But government, academic, and health-care officials say that significant numbers of providers want more data about the vaccine before it is deployed. Some of the information is expected to be released next month by the FDA.

A report released Thursday by University of California Los Angeles researchers said that 66% of Los Angeles health care workers who responded to an online questionnaire (not a randomized sample) said they would delay taking a vaccine. The American Nurses Association, a national union, said one-third of its members do not intend to take

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Jeffrey A. Hirschfield, a pediatrician in St. Petersburg, Fla., has shared his reservations about a coronavirus vaccine on Twitter. “It typically takes five to 10 years to successfully develop and vet vaccine candidates, especially those relying on new technologies,” he said.

 

the vaccine and another third are undecided.

New Jersey said last week that its data showed that 66% of the state’s doctors planned to receive the vaccine. Among professionals contacted by the state, “some did not want to be in the first round, so they could wait and see if there are potential side effects,” New Jersey Health Commissioner Judith M. for The Washington Post by Octavio Jones Persichilli said at a Nov. 9 news briefing. “Of those who said they would not take the vaccine, many said they would be more than willing to get the vaccine at a later date when more data is available.” The hesitancy among doctors and nurses is not the same as the anti-vaccine movement, which medical experts consider a fringe trend fueled by misinformation and conspiracy theories on social media. Health professionals tend to be advocates of vaccines, including seasonal flu shots, shingles vaccines, and childhood inoculations for measles, mumps and rubella.

But in the case of coronavirus shots, health care leaders say President Donald Trump’s frequent promises about vaccines have raised doubts about the objectivity of agency reviews, as have the speed of the manufacturers’ clinical trials, and unfamiliarity with the novel techniques used by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to trigger natural antibodies.

“We are vaccines’ greatest champiphoto

see DATA on N3

[Sinker]

On 11/25/2020 at 1:00 PM, DRIFTER_016 said:

Yes, I wouldn't wish this on anyone except a few people living in Ottawa.  😉

Even though most people get over it quickly with no real issues I wouldn't take the chance that you could end up really sick. I don't think it's worth it.  

Were you actually tested, or you are just assuming you had it? Where do you think you got it from? 

[DRIFTER_016]

On 11/27/2020 at 4:25 PM, Sinker said:

Were you actually tested, or you are just assuming you had it? Where do you think you got it from? 

Tests weren't available at the time. All of my Dr's are 100% sure that it's  what I had. Got it in Yellowkife. Most likely in one of the stores. Our town is packed with Asian tourists from September to April for aurora watching. Most likely one or more of the Chinese group tours brought it in.

[Headhunter]

HH