Climate Change -Hysteria? NF

[captpierre]

Some thoughts:

I remember a river catching on fire in downtown Cleveland in the 60s or 70s. 

We used to paint with leaded paint and inhale leaded gas fumes. Cars were pigs not long ago.  8 cylinders with no pollution controls .  Used to stink. can hardly smell a car now  

I understand most of the plastics we put in our blue boxes don’t get recycled. Some get shipped away to other countries.  Need to make less and reduce ridiculous packaging  

Every time you fill your gas tank -say 70 litres, that’s over 100 lb of carbon that will go into the air.  

Our federal candidates are zigzagging across the country every day in their jets for the next month. And then marching today.  

I guess we’re making progress.

That Greta Kid is impressive.  Although dramatic.  I understand some young people are disillusioned about their future.  Not even wanting to bring children into this world. A bit over the top.  

 

 

[smitty55]

That Greta is the biggest joke of all the paid activists, she's not even a good actor. Soon as anything goes of script and she doesn't have her answer sheet in front of her she's clueless.

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment,.
The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."
The older lady said that she was right our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day. The older lady went on to explain: Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day. Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.
But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then. We walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.
Back then we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days.
Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.
In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.
When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power.
We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing."
We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.
But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?
Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off... Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smartass who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much.

 

 

 

 

[OhioFisherman]

22 minutes ago, captpierre said:

Some thoughts:

I remember a river catching on fire in downtown Cleveland in the 60s or 70s. 

We used to paint with leaded paint and inhale leaded gas fumes. Cars were pigs not long ago.  8 cylinders with no pollution controls .  Used to stink. can hardly smell a car now  

I understand most of the plastics we put in our blue boxes don’t get recycled. Some get shipped away to other countries.  Need to make less and reduce ridiculous packaging  

Every time you fill your gas tank -say 70 litres, that’s over 100 lb of carbon that will go into the air.  

Our federal candidates are zigzagging across the country every day in their jets for the next month. And then marching today.  

I guess we’re making progress.

That Greta Kid is impressive.  Although dramatic.  I understand some young people are disillusioned about their future.  Not even wanting to bring children into this world. A bit over the top.  

 

 

Yes, the Cuyahoga River which runs right thru the center of town. It wasn't the first time, but inspired a lot of pollution regulation here. Lake Erie was a mess, and sewage treatment was way out of date.

[Tjames09]

I think it’s nice young people are taking an interest (not that I’m old but I’m well beyond my high school years). 

I think focusing the efforts here in Canada wont make any difference as been indicated by others already. I’ll echo the comment that China and India need to get on with reducing emissions before we see any kind of changes.

[Old Ironmaker]

I remember a engineer at the plant in the early 70's telling me we reduce pollution through dilution. Just dump it on the lake son. I was recently told by a guy at the "recycling centre" that at one time was called a dump that 60% of recyclables end up in land fill. That doesn't mean I should put the other 40% in a green garbage bag. That green bag takes something like 300 years to break down I'm told. Just because countries like China, India and whoever doesn't take the steps we do for the environment doesn't give us the excuse to do the same.

Some of the best advice I was given by my old General Foreman Mr. Bill Taylor was "Don't go down to their level make them come up to yours." 

[lew]

29 minutes ago, Old Ironmaker said:

That green bag takes something like 300 years to break down I'm told.

We were in Charlottetown PEI a couple weeks back and stopped into Sobeys to pick up a few things and they no longer put your items in plastic bags, it's all paper bags now.

Small start but for sure in the right direction.

[DRIFTER_016]

3 minutes ago, lew said:

We were in Charlottetown PEI a couple weeks back and stopped into Sobeys to pick up a few things and they no longer put your items in plastic bags, it's all paper bags now.

Small start but for sure in the right direction.

Since shortly after I moved to Yellowknife in 2007 they have been charging for plastic bags to get people to switch to reusable bags.

I have dozens of reusable bags as they are great for all sorts of things.

FYI, you want a plastic bag up here they are 25 cents a piece. 

Reusable's are a buck. 

[Old Ironmaker]

As if they didn't charge for bags before. Just like the heat and A/C, the overhead lighting, clearing the parking lots of snow etc. was all "free." 

[Rod Caster]

As a student of the 2000's environmental movement and education, basically raised on the idea of 'global warming' - as we used to call it, I'm getting real tired of this panic culture and seeking of enemies. I'm getting even more tired of young people (under 25's) with underdeveloped brains telling us how to run our economy and planet. I would never listen to my 16 year old self about anything other than hockey card stats and horsepower numbers in cars. Can anyone say that their 16 year old self was full of wisdom and clarity on extremely complicated ideas, wiser than their current self?

Just to be clear, humans have been affecting their environment ever since we existed, there is no avoiding it, no denying it. Cut one tree to build shelter, kill one animal, and you have affected your environment in some measurable way. The scale, the affect, the importance of individual actions, all that stuff is up to debate and discussion, but being human is to affect your environment, it's that simple... presented as such, even so-called climate change deniers would agree. It's when the discussion becomes overly granular or political or naive or lifestyle shaming, that the division begins and passions take over. This divisive Bull is exactly what 'merchants of doubt' seek. Somebody is making money and/or shifting power from all of this; using kids as leverage This type of hysteria is not organic, it is forced/contrived. If you miss this point, then the wool has been properly pulled over your eyes. 

This recent hysteria is a perfect example of social engineering, novelty and lifestyle marketing, all in-line with the plant-based food push. Same people, same money, same shaming of others. There was mention of Kellog's in this thread... the cereal industry coming out of Battle Creek Michigan is a fascinating story of early social engineering mixed with religious/ideological influences. isupportgary.com lays out this almost unbelievable hidden-in-plain sight story. 

Anyway, I support  detoxifying of the planet, conservation, preservation, up-cycling, advancing 'green tech', investing in good ideas; not mass panic, social engineering, vague solutions, looking for enemies. 

 

[Whitespinnerbait]

3 hours ago, Rod Caster said:

As a student of the 2000's environmental movement and education, basically raised on the idea of 'global warming' - as we used to call it, I'm getting real tired of this panic culture and seeking of enemies. I'm getting even more tired of young people (under 25's) with underdeveloped brains telling us how to run our economy and planet. I would never listen to my 16 year old self about anything other than hockey card stats and horsepower numbers in cars. Can anyone say that their 16 year old self was full of wisdom and clarity on extremely complicated ideas, wiser than their current self?

Just to be clear, humans have been affecting their environment ever since we existed, there is no avoiding it, no denying it. Cut one tree to build shelter, kill one animal, and you have affected your environment in some measurable way. The scale, the affect, the importance of individual actions, all that stuff is up to debate and discussion, but being human is to affect your environment, it's that simple... presented as such, even so-called climate change deniers would agree. It's when the discussion becomes overly granular or political or naive or lifestyle shaming, that the division begins and passions take over. This divisive Bull is exactly what 'merchants of doubt' seek. Somebody is making money and/or shifting power from all of this; using kids as leverage This type of hysteria is not organic, it is forced/contrived. If you miss this point, then the wool has been properly pulled over your eyes. 

This recent hysteria is a perfect example of social engineering, novelty and lifestyle marketing, all in-line with the plant-based food push. Same people, same money, same shaming of others. There was mention of Kellog's in this thread... the cereal industry coming out of Battle Creek Michigan is a fascinating story of early social engineering mixed with religious/ideological influences. isupportgary.com lays out this almost unbelievable hidden-in-plain sight story. 

Anyway, I support  detoxifying of the planet, conservation, preservation, up-cycling, advancing 'green tech', investing in good ideas; not mass panic, social engineering, vague solutions, looking for enemies. 

 

Masterpiece right there !! ?????

[Spiel]

It's all lies!
 

 

[Spiel]

 

[Spiel]

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” -- Mark Twain

 

[Toronto_Angler]

If politicians really cared about the environment they would start by banning those useless and wasteful election signs

[AKRISONER]

Smitty is touching on a huge huge problem throw away culture is a disaster. Economics have driven us to always looking for the lowest price option rather than quality. We’ve exported all of our product engineering and manufacturing to China. we’ve achieved bottom of the barrel pricing but nothing is designed to last more than 10 years now.

 

just a recent example, we had a microwave at the cottage that was literally from the early 80’s the thing finally pooched out 3 years ago after close to 40 years in service. My parents bought a cheap Walmart microwave as a replacement, the thing died this year after 2 years of operation. 

That’s what makes me laugh about our emission standards on small engines etc.

great my two stroke 97 carbureted Yamaha spews a bit of blue smoke when she fires up, and probably burns a little too much gas but I can’t help but read the stories of guys that have bought mercury pro xs’s in the last 20 years and none of them seem to last more than 10 years before they blow a head, lose compression , have oil starvation issues due to the direct injection requirements on two strokes or torch their lower end. Throw the thing in the garbage and buy a new one. Meanwhile my 100% oem 25 year old motor runs like a top.

 

cell phones, throw them out every 4 years the list goes on and on

[misfish]

22 hours ago, irishfield said:

Georgian Bay. Water is now over Leah's father's beach retaining wall.

I was in Meaford yesterday Wayne. If I caught a fish at the wall, I could just flop it on shore. Normally,it would take a 5 ft pole net to get a fish. I was like,holy  crap.  Every G BAY  trib I have been on the last 8 days, are 4-5 ft higher then I have ever seen them.

[Gordy Mohr]

climate change is a natural occuring event. been going on since the earth was formed. liberals using this to steal more money from us. and the lemmings that have been brainwashed by liberal teachers from kindergarden through university are passing this on to the next generations.

 

What I fear is the UN and agenda 21.    

 

[knightfisher]

Appears everything Rosa said is spot on. Good Video.

 

[Old Ironmaker]

Spiel, I tried to watch the 1st video you posted. When the presenter said the Arctic ice sheet isn't melting in fact it is growing I had to stop the video. There must be an international conspiracy to doctor satellite images and present them as fake news. I'll leave it at that. 

[Terry]

i heard him say the antarctic, dont remember him saying the arctic 

[misfish]

Someone mentioned , over population.

I am no expert in this climate change stuff, but to me,this made sense in my mind. How much can this earth of our take ? 

 

Yesterday, all my troubles seem so far away.

 

[Toronto_Angler]

1 hour ago, Gordy Mohr said:

climate change is a natural occuring event. been going on since the earth was formed. liberals using this to steal more money from us. and the lemmings that have been brainwashed by liberal teachers from kindergarden through university are passing this on to the next generations.

 

What I fear is the UN and agenda 21.    

 

Damn just when I thought some of the ignorance in this thread couldnt get more ridiculous.....Hilarious how people believe what aunt thelma shares on that there facebook over what actual scientists and professors who study this for a living and have done years of research and schooling...

Edited September 28, 2019 by Toronto_Angler

[dave524]

This is probably a better explanation of the glaciers and polar ice cap melting than any global warming, remember that Icelandic Volcano that shut down air traffic over the north Atlantic about ten years ago, Mt. St. Helens and other active volcanoes plus all the recent wildfires. My black asphalt drive is clear of ice long before my neighbours light gray concrete. The pictures tell the story.   https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/darkening-glaciers-wildfires-melt-rate-1.4963754

Edited September 28, 2019 by dave524

[Old Ironmaker]

4 hours ago, Toronto_Angler said:

If politicians really cared about the environment they would start by banning those useless and wasteful election signs

How about the carbon foot print they make using jets to cross the country campaigning? 

[Old Ironmaker]

1 hour ago, Terry said:

i heard him say the antarctic, dont remember him saying the arctic 

Yep Terry you are correct. I didn't know there was going to be a test I would have studied. My recollection skills are diminishing each and every day. It sucks. I need to write myself a note for anything I am planning on doing, then a note to tell me where in Hell I put the 1st note. I kid you not.