chong Posted January 19, 2018 Report Posted January 19, 2018 Do any of you use a leader for frogging? Last summer i lost 5 frogs in one day because of pikes cutting my line,i'm using 40lb braid. I'm thinking of using a 6" titanum leader.
BillM Posted January 19, 2018 Report Posted January 19, 2018 Nope, braid right to the frog. Frogs aren't something I like to throw in pike territory because of exactly that. You could try some thick mono leader maybe? 40lb or so? At least it wouldn't pull the frog down in the pockets like flouro or titanium would.
AKRISONER Posted January 19, 2018 Report Posted January 19, 2018 heavy mono would be your only option...honestly ive spent a lot of time working with mono and fluro to find that sweet spot where the majority of the time pike wont cut it and 18lbish seems to be the sweet spot. The majority of the time if the line is fresh they dont cut it.
MJIG Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 Several years back, when I used a type of hollow plastic frog that had life-like legs out the back, pike would repeatedly take the back legs off completely with their initial chomp and/or puncture the plastic so that it would fill up with water. I went through 5 in one afternoon and gave up on the tactic of using those things in pike waters. We were after largemouth at the time. I would rather have lost the entire thing, I think.
chong Posted January 20, 2018 Author Report Posted January 20, 2018 What brand mono would be good? I don'think a 6" titanium leader would be heavy enough to pull the frog down. MJIG fishing hollow belly frog are exciting and gives me a rush eveytime there is a blow up, that's why i like frogging. This is the other reason , a 22"er.
chong Posted January 20, 2018 Author Report Posted January 20, 2018 what about this, has anyone used it before?
kickingfrog Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 I've used flouro, mono and tied direct. For me the sinking of the flouro isn't much of an issue since I usually have all the line off the water. I do prefer to have something down there but more so for the stretch than the pike teeth.
buick14 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 10 hours ago, chong said: what about this, has anyone used it before? Yes it works well, and you don’t need to use a lot. Just watch your hands as it always finds a way to sting me every time (it’s seriouslysharp )
DropShot'r Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 Several years ago I was going through the same problems. I experimented with 25 & 40lb fluorocarbon leader material. Although stiff, one could still tie good knots with the 25lb fluoro. I found the 40lb so stiff it was impossible to tie proper knots with., it was almost like trying to tie a knot with a wire coat hanger....LOL If you want to pursue the fluoro leader option I would suggest crimping the leader. I use 65lb braid for froggin'. I do use a 2ft. leader of 65lb braid just for reducing abrasion on the main line. You could also tie a small Spider Hitch with your braid then you would have a double line attached to your frog. I cut my bite-offs dramatically by switching to LiveTarget from Spro, and I stopped trimming my tails. I suspect the longer tails had more to do with this than the brand of frog. Good luck, Drop
scuro2 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 Assuming the biggest pike you might ever see is a 40 incher I'd go minimum 80 pound fluoro. If there are no big pike in that lake smaller.
wallyboss Posted January 20, 2018 Report Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Make sure It's not because of a bad knot on your braid. Had a buddy a few years ago blaming his 4th lost frog to pike's. Until I watched him make his knot. Use a Palomar. Most other regular knots will slip especially with bigger braided line. Edited January 20, 2018 by wallyboss
chong Posted January 20, 2018 Author Report Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, wallyboss said: Make sure It's not because of a bad knot on your braid. Had a buddy a few years ago blaming his 4th lost frog to pike's. Until I watched him make his knot. Use a Palomar. Most other regular knots will slip especially with bigger braided line. i'm sure it's not the knot, when i go to set the hook and there's no tension ,the line comes flying back limp you know it's a pike
AKRISONER Posted January 21, 2018 Report Posted January 21, 2018 The reason Bill and I recommend mono is because steel and fluro don’t float and that can mess up the action on your top water
Tom S Posted January 21, 2018 Report Posted January 21, 2018 Has anyone tried the knot-able wire available for fly fishing toothy critters? I have a Rio spool that I was quite impressed with this summer. Easy to work with and not to heavy
kickingfrog Posted January 21, 2018 Report Posted January 21, 2018 I use tie-able wire for jigging when the pike are common but since I've haven't had a problem with pike in my frog spots I haven't tried it. I guess the lack of stretch compared to mono/flouro would be a possible issue.
AKRISONER Posted January 22, 2018 Report Posted January 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Tom S said: Has anyone tried the knot-able wire available for fly fishing toothy critters? I have a Rio spool that I was quite impressed with this summer. Easy to work with and not to heavy started using this stuff always when fly fishing on gbay because I cant afford to lose $15 streamers, and specifically when targeting pike in the spring...you cant beat it. Jesus its expensive though lol.
chong Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Posted January 22, 2018 i found this video, what do you think? will doubling the line help ?
kickingfrog Posted January 22, 2018 Report Posted January 22, 2018 Interesting knot. I'll play around with it. He says it's x4 but that doesn't mean much for getting cut. The issue isn't so much breaking, but getting bit off.
msp Posted January 24, 2018 Report Posted January 24, 2018 Just go straight braid. 65 pound. buy some extra frogs just in case
AKRISONER Posted January 24, 2018 Report Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 8:48 PM, chong said: i found this video, what do you think? will doubling the line help ? Lol try tie this when its -10 with 50kmh winds. No sense in doubling line, just go with a heavier lead?
BillM Posted January 24, 2018 Report Posted January 24, 2018 Who tossing frogs at -10 with 50km/h winds? lol
AKRISONER Posted January 24, 2018 Report Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillM said: Who tossing frogs at -10 with 50km/h winds? lol lol you never know here in Ontario what can happen Could be one of those mornings where you go out in a parka and finish in a bathing suit.
Lape0019 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) I don't believe in leader materials for frogging. No matter how much the leader (flouro or metal), it will mess with the action of the frog in some way shape or form. I have used 65lb braid for years and can maybe think of two times where I have lost a frog. Am I lucky? maybe.. but I very rarely use leaders on anything and have not lost many lures. Edited January 24, 2018 by Lape0019
chong Posted February 12, 2018 Author Report Posted February 12, 2018 what about this , anyone tried it?
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