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leader for frogging?

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Do any of you use a leader for frogging?

Last summer i lost 5 frogs in one day because of pikes cutting my line,i'm using 40lb braid.

I'm thinking of using a 6" titanum leader.

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Nope, braid right to the frog.   Frogs aren't something I like to throw in pike territory because of exactly that.   You could try some thick mono  leader maybe?  40lb or so?   At least it wouldn't pull the frog down in the pockets like flouro or titanium would.

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heavy mono would be your only option...honestly ive spent a lot of time working with mono and fluro to find that sweet spot where the majority of the time pike wont cut it and 18lbish seems to be the sweet spot. The majority of the time if the line is fresh they dont cut it.

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Several years back, when I used a type of hollow plastic frog that had life-like legs out the back, pike would repeatedly take the back legs off completely with their initial chomp and/or puncture the plastic so that it would fill up with water. I went through 5 in one afternoon and gave up on the tactic of using those things in pike waters. We were after largemouth at the time. I would rather have lost the entire thing, I think.

 

 

 

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What brand mono would be good?

I don'think a 6" titanium leader would be heavy enough to pull the frog down.

MJIG  fishing hollow belly frog are exciting and gives me a rush eveytime 

there is a blow up, that's why i like frogging.

This is the other reason , a  22"er.

 

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I've used flouro, mono and tied direct. For me the sinking of the flouro isn't much of an issue since I usually have all the line off the water. I do prefer to have something down there but more so for the stretch than the pike teeth. 

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10 hours ago, chong said:

what about this, has anyone used it before?

 

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Yes it works  well, and you don’t need to use a lot.

Just watch your hands as it always finds a way to sting me every time (it’s seriouslysharp )

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Several years  ago I was going through the same problems. I experimented with 25 & 40lb fluorocarbon leader material. Although stiff, one could still tie good knots with the 25lb fluoro. I found the 40lb so stiff it was impossible to tie proper knots with., it was almost like trying to tie a knot with a wire coat hanger....LOL

If you want to pursue the fluoro leader option I would suggest crimping the leader. I use 65lb braid  for froggin'.  I do use a 2ft. leader of 65lb braid just for reducing abrasion on the main line.  You could also tie a small Spider Hitch with your braid then you would have a double line attached to your frog.

 I cut my bite-offs  dramatically by switching to LiveTarget from Spro, and I stopped trimming my tails. I suspect the longer tails had more to do with this than the brand of frog.

 

Good luck,

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Assuming the biggest pike you might ever see is a 40 incher I'd go minimum 80 pound fluoro. If there are no big pike in that lake smaller.

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Make sure It's not because of a bad knot on your braid. Had a buddy a few years ago blaming his 4th lost frog to pike's. Until I watched him make his knot. Use a Palomar. Most other regular knots will slip especially with bigger braided line.

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3 hours ago, wallyboss said:

Make sure It's not because of a bad knot on your braid. Had a buddy a few years ago blaming his 4th lost frog to pike's. Until I watched him make his knot. Use a Palomar. Most other regular knots will slip especially with bigger braided line.

i'm sure it's not the knot, when i go to set the hook and there's no tension ,the line comes flying back limp you know it's a pike

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The reason Bill and I recommend mono is because steel and fluro don’t float and that can mess up the action on your top water 

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Has anyone tried the knot-able wire available for fly fishing toothy critters? I have a Rio spool that I was quite impressed with this summer. Easy to work with and not to heavy

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I use tie-able wire for jigging when the pike are common but since I've haven't had a problem with pike in my frog spots I haven't tried it. I guess the lack of stretch compared to mono/flouro would be a possible issue.

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6 hours ago, Tom S said:

Has anyone tried the knot-able wire available for fly fishing toothy critters? I have a Rio spool that I was quite impressed with this summer. Easy to work with and not to heavy

started using this stuff always when fly fishing on gbay because I cant afford to lose $15 streamers, and specifically when targeting pike in the spring...you cant beat it. Jesus its expensive though lol.

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Interesting knot. I'll play around with it. He says it's x4 but that doesn't mean much for getting cut. The issue isn't so much breaking, but getting bit off. 

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On 1/21/2018 at 8:48 PM, chong said:

i found this video, what do you think? will doubling the line help ?

 

Lol try tie this when its -10 with 50kmh winds. No sense in doubling line, just go with a heavier lead?

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2 minutes ago, BillM said:

Who tossing frogs at -10 with 50km/h winds?  lol

lol you never know here in Ontario what can happen  ^_^

 

Could be one of those mornings where you go out in a parka and finish in a bathing suit.

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I don't believe in leader materials for frogging. No matter how much the leader (flouro or metal), it will mess with the action of the frog in some way shape or form.

I have used 65lb braid for years and can maybe think of two times where I have lost a frog. Am I lucky? maybe.. but I very rarely use leaders on anything and have not lost many lures.

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