Dutch01 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Nah, I'll just leave this discussion. This thread just proves that there is exactly zero sense in discussing this kind of topics on the internet. No one here is interested in changing their points of view, some of us don't even bother to read what is actually being posted by others, so yeah... Pointless. No offense. Oh and sorry if any of my posts sounded insulting, I swear it wasn't intended. I would rather go watch a video comparing the Frog and Sunfish LiveTarget lures. I agree that the internet is a poor forum for consensus. I accept your apology and offer my own in return. It appears I inferred a meaning that you did not imply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 All good points. I don't disagree with you, addressing a lack of mental health care funding would go a long way towards curbing these mass shootings. Probably further than gun control. But Americans are afraid of "socialism" so I don't see them doing anything about metal illness anytime soon. I happen to also think that more stringent background checks could augment mental health treatment as a part of a holistic solution. I'm not against a guy like Art having as many guns as he wants. I get that there are many many law abiding citizens who will never use their guns in anger. However, I refuse to believe we can plan to fly men to Mars, but we lack the collective intelligence to stop (or at least diminish) these mass shooting events. The fact that Republicans can't even have a conversation about curbing mass shootings without accusing everyone else of sedition should be a source of shame. So, you're not against more stringent background checks...is that all you got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) So, you're not against more stringent background checks...is that all you got? It's a start we can't even make because asking for more stringent background checks is treasonous to some. I love this. If don't have ALL the ideas and ALL the solutions, that's somehow a failing because I've "only" put forth one idea. How many ideas have the "pro gun people who don't want more massacres" put forth? When they put forth one, they'll have caught up to me. Ask me again then. Edited June 16, 2016 by Dutch01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRISONER Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) dunno if anyone watched the daily show bits... compare it to drug enforcement...do you believe that all drug enforcement should be stopped because it does not solve 100% of the problem? I guess you do, because a person who wants to get drugs will just do them anyways, so there is no point in enforcement at all. i think the large majority of us would agree that heroine and crack should be illegal. Edited June 16, 2016 by AKRISONER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ironmaker Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 The first smart thing I have heard Trump say yesterday was he is in favour of not allowing any individuals on the "NO FLY" list to purchase a gun. I jumped up and said "they can?" A Republican big wig spokesman basically said that was unconstitutional. They can't even agree with themselves. I couldn't even hire an employee if they could not get a clear Criminal Clearance Check here to sub contract work to Home Depot, they had the same policy for HD in the US. But they would be eligible to buy a weapon down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 dunno if anyone watched the daily show bits... compare it to drug enforcement...do you believe that all drug enforcement should be stopped because it does not solve 100% of the problem? I guess you do, because a person who wants to get drugs will just do them anyways, so there is no point in enforcement at all. i think the large majority of us would agree that heroine and crack should be illegal. The difference is the drug users are doing something illegal and are in the arena of needing to be brought to justices. The war on drugs is not lacking laws it is lacking manpower. Buying a gun legally is not illegal thus forth no justice is needed. Now if you break the law to get a gun then no matter what law is enacted you will break it regardless so more laws will not solve the issue. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRISONER Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 The difference is the drug users are doing something illegal and are in the arena of needing to be brought to justices. The war on drugs is not lacking laws it is lacking manpower. Buying a gun legally is not illegal thus forth no justice is needed. Now if you break the law to get a gun then no matter what law is enacted you will break it regardless so more laws will not solve the issue. Art This crazy guy bought a gun legally though...a semi automatic rifle with extended clip at that...? You just proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 This crazy guy bought a gun legally though...a semi automatic rifle with extended clip at that...? You just proved my point. You lost me on this one The purchase was legal the way it was used was illegal. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Anyway I am packing for my week up North to fish and have fun with a great group of people. I will have limited internet so I will most likely not reply to to many posts for a little bit. Thank you to all for the discussion we all want the same thing so that in a way is a good start. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Anyway I am packing for my week up North to fish and have fun with a great group of people. I will have limited internet so I will most likely not reply to to many posts for a little bit. Thank you to all for the discussion we all want the same thing so that in a way is a good start. Art Tight lines art!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Anyway I am packing for my week up North to fish and have fun with a great group of people. Have a safe trip Art and we'll see you & Joe on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Catch a fish or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 thanks folks This is the week I look forward too. A week in Canada with a great group of friends. At Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 and leave some fish for the rest of us still waiting to take our vacations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henricus Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Ironically, both groups in question here (radicalized Muslims & gun advocates) are following the literal words of texts written in different eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Ironically, both groups in question here (radicalized Muslims & gun advocates) are following the literal words of texts written in different eras. A very trenchant observation!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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