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I was not aware that a 12 year old could not spell,learn something every day. I find spelling really takes a back seat in importance to reading comprehension. For instance this statement "it sounded like a 12 year old girls review on Justin Bieber" has nothing to do with maturity or an insult as you perceived.Rather it points out the blind exuberance one feels when media hype ie trophies ,awards etc. are involved If poor spelling is a sign of immaturity what does poor sentence structure indicate?

Thats strange I read your post sounded like a 12 year old girls review not that you were one.Guess you see what you want. Sorry if taking the word of erics brother is not good enough but then again ya sees what ya wants ta see.

The only problem you run into Bill is the size difference of the boys at that age. You have 5 foot tall 125 lb boys skating with 6'4" 185 lb kids.It is manditory though that they go through a hitting clinic. I do agree with you though.

i am sure you put alot of effort into your post but it sounded like a bit ;like a 12 year old girls review on Justin Bieber so I gave up reading She is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt he is a super star and there is no changing her mind. Oh ...he has lots of trophies and awards as well as total respect of his peers in the music industry so he must be amazing. I thought I was to the point on the Lindros issue...guess not so here goes nothing.I was at a hitting/concussion seminar years ago and one of the speakers was Brett Lindros. He commented that we do not fully understand head injuries or their long lasting effect. He then said Eric was never the same after the Stevens hit.

Not really interested in how many trophies he has lining his case,he was nothing more than a predator. Many many so called highlight reels of him hitting the other teams players and them laying on the ice dazed or being carried off. Every hit a hit with the intent to injure.If you like that style of hockey hopefully you will also enjoy a league with nothing but meatheads picking off the stars one at a time.Whose career did Domi end,out of curiosity,not a fan of his either. What facts suggest that Lindros was fine after the hit? I was told he was never the same after that hit but if you know better then maybe he was wrong. Using the argument of a player poll,yeah thats solid,you might want to look up how they are conducted.Respect of his peers,like who,curious to know who told you that? Ahhh the good ole macho line....if you dont like our manly way of doing things then go watch (insert any sport the manly men think is for sissys)

Thanks.... Some days I think it would be nice to take parts of todays game and some of the days of old and put them together.You cant beat the speed and skill of players now but back then I think they were alot tougher. I can still remember Terry O Reilly challenging the entire bench to fight LOL How long do you think Matt Cooke would last with the likes of Tony Twist chasing him down. Ahhh to dream... Other than that I think its status quo for Canadian teams.The Leafs make the playoffs and drop out first round,The Sens try and try but still nobody cares and the habs have a good run but just cant seem to pull of another cup.

In both instances neither player can see the hit coming and therefore is classed as vulnerable to injury. As a coach your first concern is the well being of the player on the ice and your player. Your player can be affected at the sight of someone he has hit being carted off on a stretcher. As to a good hockey play its hard to say without a bit more info. If a player is coming out of his zone with the puck head up and gets cranked shoulder to shoulder etc and the puck is turned over then sure good move kid,mission accomplished. The object of hitting is to separate the player from the puck. If he takes himself well out of position to make a useless hit then no "bad hockey play" key the Dion Phaneuf montage. the fact that the other player was knocked out cold was unfortunate and a penalty and or discipline in general should not rely on the outcome of the act. Dont get me wrong I love a good hit and a fight even better. I am a staunch advocate of fighting in hockey at the correct level.It controls the game. Below is a quote from one of the greats,Larry Robinson that might explain my point. Robinson’s era was as violent a time the NHL has known, but the former Habs’ great insists despite all the violence, players had respect for each other back in the good ol’ days. He told the Mercury News, “There were situations where guys put themselves in a vulnerable position, where if you did make contact, there was a possibility he’d get hurt. Back then, some guys were stupid enough not to wear helmets, and you’d ease up.”

I am on topic ,I believe it might actually be your comprehension. I was discussing respect and vulnerable hits of which hitting from behind is one example. I am sure it has been part of the game since you were a kid but not knowing your age I dont know how much emphasis was placed on it.I also do not know your level of experience or how you formulate your opinion,but I do respect it. I played for many years at several levels with the exception of one. I now coach children and can tell you the difference between now and then is astounding.When I was younger it was barely mentioned now a weekend is spent on it at every level of minor coaching. Delivering hard hits are fine,knock em out if thats your thing. Look for a player with his head down and hit him hard. Like I said there are many things in the game that are okay by the letter of the law. I do not believe in hitting in a vulnerable position but thats just my opinion.

Yeah your right who needs respect of others anyway. With a bit more respect perhaps Thornton would not of done what he did. Orpik was vulnerable laying on the ice and Thornton cranked him a few more times but that was wrong of course,wasn't it ? You can justify it all you want calling it the good ole big hockey hit. Respect is something that is being drilled into our children in minor hockey.Respect your coach,the refs and of course your opponent. Pick up any OMHA,Alliance or GTHL mag or better yet go to a few coaching courses and you will hear about the whole 'respect thing'. Included are sessions on hitting when your opponent is vulnerable to injury. Have you noticed the stop signs on the back of jerseys lately? Why the emphasis at the grass roots of the game ? The growing lack of respect for others at the upper levels.

3 cups in 9 years....last I checked it was a team cup not individual. Could they won without him,maybe. Counting penalties in a league that judges everyone differently is silly. Do you think the refs looked at Gretzky the same way they did Domi? Stevens threw plenty of elbows,you want to see them feel free to search. OF COURSE they avoided his side of the ice for fear of getting decimated. He went out to injure plain and simple so if you want to applaud that style of hockey its all yours. Oh and he certainly did ruin Lindros and a few others.

Soooo if you see a player coming towards you with his head down you do all you can to rock him as you put it? Or do you maybe back off a little,separate him from the puck and cause a turnover ? A player with his head down is vulnerable,regardless of who put him in that position he is vulnerable and open to physical harm. If you respect another player and care about his well being you back off if not you step in hard. And yes if he had skated away it would of still shown lack of respect. You do not judge the act by the outcome.

As I mentioned there are things that are legal and things that are done without thinking of the other players well being.You see a guy is vulnerable and regardless of if it is legal or not you back off. I think you missed my point.I am not saying Thornton was correct in what he did,quite the opposite actually. Put it this was if Orpik doesnt fight and Thornton does not throw him to the ice do you not think someone would of had a run at him some time during the game? In hockey it is easier to take your lumps right away rather than lets say wait to get run from behind into the boards. Its all about retribution like it or not it is going to happen. As far as Thorntons actions they had nothing to do with firing up his team or doing his job.If it was he would not of gone after him a second time. He saw a player get hit in a vulnerable position and was pissed,he wanted that retribution. You can be as pissed as you want at the guy giving you the puck but it does not change the fact that lack of respect was at the root of the hit. There are many disrespectful things you can do on the ice that are within the rules.

Stevens was a predator plain and simple,added nothing to the game other than ruining a few careers. He would wait for a player to be in a vulnerable position and either leave his feet,throw an elbow or shoulder to the head. He was on the ice to hurt people not separate them from the puck. That is NOT part of hockey. Its all about respect and the lack of it is getting worse every year. Years ago if you threw a hit when a player was vulnerable you got a beating. Regardless of using the excuse of a bad pass the defensive player still has the option to hit hard or let up,Orpik chose to hit hard. Thornton tried to get Orpik to fight ,not because it was his job he was pissed about the hit. That is extremely important and at the root of the ordeal.Orpik turned down the invite which if he was smart he would of fought. Hockey is a game of retribution,sooner or later you or someone else is going to pay the price.If he fought that would of been the end of it. As for Thornton he let his emotions get the better of him and did something stupid.What should of happened and was the way things DID happen "back when" was Thornton or Lucic went and beat their tough guy silly. You then skate by the bench and give Orpik the wink letting him know that was for him. What Orpik did was within the "rules" but remember so is Chara fighting Nathan Gerbe. There are things that just should not happen in a game where one player should respect the other regardless of what colour they wear.