Snidley

The Abu's will last not so sure about the Quantum.

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The little kid emulating daddy's best snaggin' drift in the first video is truly hilarious. Craig is correct, if you hang around Bronte long enough you will see equally outrageous "fishing" (don't need a rod boys, I've got a net.) I was fishing the Whirlpool once and there were 3 guys there, me and two locals. I was to the far west of the 'pool they were over on the run where the float fishers hang and when I looked up they were pounding each other over crowding a spot. It was comical until you thought about the rocks, the current and, if injured, just how far up it is to get help. I talked to one of them later and he was totally unfazed about the whole thing. The Niagara region is different that's for sure.

Very nice hookup, as you mentioned that must have been a head shake fight supremeo. 50/50 weight distribution for that fish, just like a Porsche.

By the way what's with the tent in the video. Is that where the judges sit or is it a beer tent? What a zoo.

I met a great fly caster on Bronte who could put a fly in the mouth of a Chinook at will. They were NOT biting the fly but this chap could hook up a specific fish in a bunch with the fly inside of the mouth. He was not flossing. The ethics of it were questionable but it was a completely legal hookup that allowed the fish to fight. He did not really seem that pleased with his outing when finished for the day so I guess he also felt the ethics of it was not great. Sort of the way I feel about roe and essentially the reason I stopped using eggs. Too easy as well as the path to virtually all the hillbilly behavior on the water. As the cops say, it's the cracked window syndrome.

It's actually referred to a "snatching" It USED to be legal in New York (like many on this board the mainstream Yank angler believed that salmon don't feed/bite in the river) but it is now illegal. It was essentially snagging, usually with a weighted, bare treble hook often referred to as a cricket, or Michigan Cricket. Snatching is still legal for catching Paddlefish, a plankton feeder that won't bite anything lure or bait (or so they say). You can imagine what it looks like, frog water just out of a main channel where the Paddlefish hold, with hillbillies chucking a heavy Muskie sized weighted bare treble seeking soft flesh. The hookup/fight is ridiculous with a 40-50lb fish hooked high on the back struggling mightily trying to avoid the meat hunting Neanderthal looking for a free feed of the roe. It's legal, like jugging, but it is not pretty. The chuck and duckers are also an example of what not to do but I don't see much difference between their loutish behavior and what many here would consider doing like...tomorrow morning AND chuck and duckers actually catch very few fish. Like the marshmallow crowd they hook up and you hear "fish on" then "aw fish off" or "fish on" then shortly "hey buddy get out of my way" or "your over my line",shortly followed by "aw fish off" It's humorous actually, until they cut your tires for taking way too long drifts, and catching way too many fish with your float rod .

They are a feature packed car but as a new GM vehicle it would be best to lease it and if it is a good car buy it out, if not give it back to GM. The gas powered electric motor is the best use of an electric technology as it allows for the distances that are common in Canada. I'm not sure they are discounting them here however. In Ontario your best alternative fuel approach is still propane conversion. Virtually any vehicle you want to drive and fuel at half the price. The province pretty much pays for the conversion in a subsidy and over the long haul propane promotes much longer powertrain life.

Shore anglers, particularly ones seeking roe for bait, are equally culpable in the issue of slaughtering pelagic fish without regard to the future. I condemn the use of roe at every turn, call for Ontario to follow the rest of Canada and ban it's use and in no way suggest that there is a qualitative difference between fish in the open lake or the inshore or the stream itself. What is different is that in the lake the limit is 5 fish while in the river it is 2. Unfair, unsustainable, and a clear case of bowing and scraping to the Charter-Derby lobby by our lame government types. I happen to find trolling for fish with trolling rigs and a power boat to be boring. I am not alone in this because even the guys that like to troll are few and far between once the derbies stop. Leads me to believe that these guys are cash trollers, anglers that need the incentive of a payday to find what there doing (and the expense of what they are doing), palatable. Back when you could go out and catch 10 to 20 salmon per outing, using spoons I could enjoy some trolling. Today you need Spin Docs, Teaser Rigs, Dipseys, Torpedoes, leadcore, Fish Hawks etc. All of that gear and heavy rods to pull it around ruins the sport for me and despite what some anglers say even with all this new tech most anglers are not experiencing the success trolling that we once had. It has also gotten very expensive ie. from Bronte it's $17 to launch, a break off of a trolling rig will set you back $40, and gas sits at about $1.40 a liter. All to have the boat catch the fish and you winch it in. No wonder guys decide to keep toxic fish, it defrays the cost of the whole en devour. Paying a trolling business on top of all the technical expenses makes the whole effort outrageously expensive for a very mediocre thrill IMO. Whoever said earlier in the thread that you could hire a charter for $200 was dreaming in technicolour. As I said earlier I don't think there is a qualitative difference between offshore fish, inshore fish or stream fish from a limit perspective but there is a massive difference in the offshore fishing experience, the inshore fishing experience and the stream fishing experience in both cost and quality. The key to this discussion is that, through lobbying efforts, the offshore anglers are being allowed more than double the creel limit and this runs counter to good fisheries management as well as fairness.

If Pink/Chinook hybrid is called a Pinook is a Coho/Chinnook hybrid a Conook or a Chinho?

Live to you must be a cash troller. For years I have heard the line that the Derbies contribute to the salmon fishery. Contribute yes, contribute in a significant way, I think not. I have never seen any type of legitimate documentation to show these conservation claims are true. I'm sure if they in fact contribute in a significant way the claims would be substantiated as part of their marketing of the slaughterfests they run. Yes these charter customers pay a lot of money to go fishing and I too have gone charter trolling and it is a massively over rated segment of our sport as well as one that wrecks havoc on a publicly financed fishery. There are far more just folks that would also like to enjoy this public resource and the issue being covered here pertains to the fact that lake anglers can keep 5 fish and others 2 fish. It seems unfair as well as unsustainable. Being a simpleton I'm pretty sure you missed that part of the issue.

I am incorrect in just singling out the Salmon Hunt as an archaic contest, the others are equally guilty and should be charged significant "stumpage" or licence fee as well or even better asked to go elsewhere. I call Bull on the derbies funding salmon stocking, rehab etc in any significant way. Lets see some sort of accounting rather than charter captains and cash trollers making broad and completely unsubstantiated claims about the good these contests do vs the slaughter they initiate. With licence fees we would have actual funding, central controlled by the people tasked with running the thing. Add in fees from people looking to utilize the resource and there would be the kind of money available for these enhancements to create a truly world class fishery for some of the most universally desirable species on the planet.

Hey Fishing Magician how many under 20" salmon do you catch out deep anyway?. Headhunter they may not be native but they are desirable for most except maybe yourself. I guess you prefer "native" Lakers. The MNR stocks Lakers the most with almost no takers looking to catch them and even the smokin', drinkin', health ignoring meathunters refusing to eat them. Lakers are money well spent. . Make the user pay for proper pelagic management with a Salmon/Steelhead licence that limits annual retention and provides the $$$ to properly stock, rehab spawning habitat, net pens etc. Also make the Salmon Derby pay for the right to run their slaughter for profit to replace the massive number of animals taken by the cash trollers many if not most of which have no idea what a winning weight fish looks like but keep larger fish anyway. Or simply tell the Derby folks the game is over for their archaic contest and they will have to come up with some other scheme to make money off a public resource.

Could be a fish that has not changed yet plain and simple. Most likely it is a 3 year fish that either was blown inshore, was chasing bait or got caught up with the push of fish coming into spawn. I caught a silver Chinook myself last week. It was about 15lb. and was among several others that were dark that night.You notice them because they are different than the majority of the fish being caught. With that being said anyone with experience knows that our 4 year Chinooks start to change in the lake, some as early as late July, and by this time of year they are virtually all changed over be they in the river or lurking around river mouths in the lake. You should be happy that there is the occasional chromer to catch but it is not in any way what the average spawner looks like at this time of year.

Absolutely avoid "combos". It's just the opposite to stated here, the manufacturers go out of their way to make sure that combos are the worst of the worst that they produce. Balance would be the least of your problems with a Combo especially the reel. Go with a quality baitcast reel to learn and if that means you only have the $$$ to buy used then buy quality used gear. Unlike spin reels baitcast reels can be an excellent used buy. I got a used Revo STX here on OFC for $90 and it has been an excellent reel for everything from Bass up to Chinnooks. I have a Diawa TDZ that I bought used for $180 and it also has been a terrific piece of equiptment ( and about the most forgiving reel possible for a new learner).

That information about our Chinnook salmon is basically wrong. Our Chinnooks are a strain the darkens in the lake. They are virtually all coloured prior to entering the river and for some time before entering (ie up to a month) On the rare occasion that a silver 4 year old fish is caught on shore they can change in colour within an hour. I have seen this happen on my own stringer at Thornbury with a still live fish. It would be an interesting experiment to try other strain of Chinnook, like Idaho strains, that stay silver for months after entering the river (somthing about much higher fat content that fuel the long thousand mile migration from the Pacific to Idaho). Imagine full power silver Chinnooks up the river to test shore anglers skills. Even I might break out the pin. There was some talk about bigger strains of Rainbows going into the Saugeen watershed as well. Don't know where that's at but it would be another great idea since the Chinnooks don't seem to be doing all that well in Lake Huron while Rainbows are thriving. These would be good experiments because the animals in question, Chinnooks and Rainbows, have proven themselves as successful transplants unlike Atlantics were a fortune was wasted on a fish species every expert knew would fail as a thriving stocker.

He was clearly aiming the narration to our kids with their notoriously short attention spans. They dummed down a very interesting subject that has dramatic potential for the future. The technology is amazing but I could not help but think that the implementation would require really cleaver technicians, like the ones that Tiger moms raise...in China. That opinion is actually shared by Ken Whiting who I happen to know and is an expert who believes the best quality rods are now coming from Asia. The furure is now and ours does not look all that bright..

CP owns the tracks and enforces the NO TRESPASSING (as it says on the signs). It is a fine of over $500 per person. Does not stop idiots from fishing there, some bring the kids to play on the very active tracks. It is a matter of time before some moron or his kids get splattered. It would be an good object lesson but no doubt some do gooder would call for a total ban on fishing the place when/if it happens.

Materiel's science on Nova tonight on PBS at 9pm-10pm They use Nanaotubes in fishing rods and golf clubs so it may be of interest to guys here. Ken Whiting, of Airrus,and Carrot Stix rods fame swears by the technology.

I used to use Patagonia climbing gloves which were excellent. I can't find them anywhere anymore however. Now I go to the dollar store and buy the heavier fleece gloves for $1-$2. If you need fingers bare snip of the tip of the fingers and way you go.

You can drive over there and use the parking stub from the dam side HOWEVER the water is extremely shallow from shore, even moreso this year. If you catch something it will be ity bity for sure. There is a dock but again super shallow. A better bet from shore is Valens, assuming there are actually fish there. It has sucked for the last 5 or so years.

Actually have to eat a little crow this morning as I got a big Coho this AM and it fought really well with several jumps of 6 feet in the air. I thought it must be one of those elusive Atlantics that CRAA claims are out there because it fought so well. She still ended the fight wrapped up like a mummy and needed to be cut out of my line but it was probably the best fish I have caught this year. So now 1 Coho in hundreds that fought well. Not sure that's really any sort of positive endorsement but there you have it.

Krinkle spoons. Found at Crappy Tire .

Carefull, that info is volatile on this site. It's considered too specific.

Thanks Mike I was thinking the 7'2" as well.