Steel Bunny

 

so where you going fishing? what for? hope we get pics after this raging debate lol

 

piff, no big loss there, leafs suck (and I'm a fan sadly...)

Going to Orlando and Tampa. I'm on my own for fishing. I found what looks like a good guide for redfish, seatrout, black drums. His website says "tips not included but greatly appreciated". Guess you guys are right .

If anyone wants to go halfsies on a charter lemme know! I'll pack us a dynamite lunch

Yes I am splitting hairs. LOL you see, deep down I know you are right, but I just like debating. Maybe im so grouchy about it cuz I am taking the charter alone and will have to dish out what looks like $600 for the day. Ha, one day on teh water is going to cost me more than 2 spring training games and leafs @ tampa bay! Or = to one night at a leafs home game! lol

How can you say that a guide that is an owner/operator does not work for wages? They not only work for wages, they have to pay for the boat, bait, equipment, dockage, insurance and any other cost they incur. What's left they pay taxes on and that becomes their wages.

Any guide offers a service, if one is happy/unhappy with the service rendered it is up to that individual to tip or not to tip.

 

IMHO if I was happy with the total experience the least I would tip would be 10% and might go as high as 20%

 

EDIT ADD:

 

This same kind of debate comes up about tipping bush pilots.

A wage is paid by employer to employee. Owner/operators charge their own fees, whatever they wish. This is what I meant. Yes I am somewhat aware of whats invovled, i know its not cheap or easy. I think you are misunderstanding me here. My original question was - HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR GUIDE DESERVES A TIP. Showing up on time is not one of them, at least not for me.

not all guides make big bucks, very few do...so why not tip to offset their wage?...any in my humble opinion, they work much harder than servers...not sayin a servers job is easy

 

we usually tip 50-100 per person

lol ok, but guides do not make a wage! All that I have found are owner/operators, there is a difference. If servers LOVED what they did and it was something they aspired to do, youd be correct in the comparison. Do you hate me yet?

I am renting a hut once a week so I cant be reckless with my choices

Not a sad thought at all as its seasonal and I can only imagine the cost and work involved in running an operation. start working on it and before you know it you can fish where and when you want and only have to answer to how far your legs will carry you.

Not disputing the work and cost involved with being a hut operator. I just think $180 for two of us to fish is more than its worth for us. But, I ended up booking floydd hales at three person rate. Will cost us $75 each which I think is more reasonable.

well, why do you tip a server in a restaurant? they bring me food, that's what I expect when I go to a restaurant

 

research only gets you so far, still a crap shoot at the end of the day

Its not the same thing lol but im tired of debating now. Rest assured I will tip my guide . Next question, whats appropriate? $50?

What your suggesting deserves a tip is really just basic business fundamentals.

Actually you have no idea if you hired the dirty ass boat till you get there. I have seen $500.00 charters that had broken poles,bait wells that will turn your stomach. lunches of wilted lettuce and lunch meat that should have been condemned. Did you find this guy in the yellow pages? All guides Ive checked out have sites and facebook pages that show exactly what you get when you pay $500 for a charter.

 

Now if you charter very rarely then you might have not ever chartered with a bad Captain so you don't have a comparison to see how good a trip can be. The other side of the coin is are you a good customer? I have had a few charters that I would allow to come back out for free on a day that I was not chartered but scouting for new spots. I also have a few that I am forever booked and can't possible take them out again. It really is up to how you act as to how you will be treated. Im a peach so no worries here.

 

 

Case in point I was up North and a guide was waiting on the dock for his customer. We talked for a few minutes and I was throwing a saltwater bait and he like the action and said that should be a good Muskie bait. I had another one in my boat so I cut it off and gave it to him. We talked a few minutes more and he asked how my fishing had been and I said great but I was looking for a few more good pike spots. He then did the one thing that most guides never do he started to mark up a map for me of good pike spots. So I got my map and we traded notes of places to catch what we were after. In 10 minutes we both had expanded our knowledge of the water more than we would have in a month of fishing. His only request was not to show others the map since it is how he makes his living and because I fish the waters one week a year he was not concerned about me burning out his spots. That is a GOOD guide who helps everyone he can no matter if he was getting a tip. So you wonder did I give him a tip.... well not in money but I gave hima secret arsenal of baits that the Muskies haven't seen yet. Yes I would agree this is going the extra mile. Clean boat, on time and friendly does not equal going the extra mile. It means you are dealing with a professional.
Going the extra mile to me, would be dropping me off at shore for lunch because I dont eat chicken salad (or whatever his wife made us). That is tip worthy. Letting me drink beer if their policy is 'no beer', thats tip worthy. Do you see the difference???

 

If you hook up with someone who delivers less than expected - you didnt do your research.

 

 

Art

A tip is a way to say thank you for a job well done. If he has a boat ready to go when you get there. If he packs a decent lunch . If his boat is clean and well stocked with equipment. Basically if you feel like it is fishing with a friend rather than having someone who just puts in time to have you on the water. Most of the bass fishing is catch and release so him cleaning your fish is not usually a service they offer. I would go for a saltwater trip before a bass trip you will see more beauty as well as fish that fight harder.

 

 

Art

 

not all guides are professional...just like all servers aren't amazing either

Well if you chose a guide that isnt professioanl, you havent done your research Teasin' ya.

Ive hired one guide in my life and we tipped him because he dropped one of us back at shore early, and because he let us do something illegal on his boat. THATS what I call going the extra mile

Tipping a guide is no different than tipping a waiter/waitress.

I was a bartender for a few higher end restaurants in the city. I see a few differences.

One is that you go to a restaurant and pay for food -- tip your service. For a charter, I assume you pay to fish? So my question (and it was an honest one) is, when do you tip a guide?

bah

Kessel does exactly what he's good at, scoring. Thats never going to change. Hes a pure goal scorer which is different then someone like Zeterburgh.

 

Youd be a real Munson to trade Kessel.

 

And I dont believe all the "he's poisonous in the dressing room" crap either. Thats all just media spin. So what he doesn't like to talk to media, doesn't make him a bad teammate.

 

Even when Wilson said hes uncoachable

Thats just nonsense.

 

Even in juniors there is players that are the exception to the rule. Every team has at least one, sometimes many. Happens in every level of hockey.

 

anyhow. I still say dump gardiner, lupul and Bozak if at all possible

LUPUL?????

Tim Hales charges min 3 person rates for weekend hut rentals. That means my girl friend and I will have to shell out $180 for a day of perch fishing. Yeeeeea not likely. lol All these rentals I've been doing adds up to almost the same as it would have cost me to buy my own gear. Thats a sad thought.

Saltwater > freshwater any day of the week. A 2lb ladyfish will fight harder then a 10lb bass, lol.

Appreciate your reply, Bill I think you are right. Havent caught a bass in a while but I remember that once they are on your hook they give up so easily.

 

full day bass fishing is about 350-500 (I dont know anyone who would pay over $350 for bass fishing) on average, not incl tip if you feel so inclined, inshore saltwater tends to be a bit more but you can find deals...offshore is big money...if you are asked to buy your own licence, likely a good sign to stay away, any full time guide will have a licence that covers any guest on his boat (not incl party barges which are fun and cheap)

 

I would 100% take redfish over bass any day of the week....or better yet, day of bass and day of inshore...I did a day trip to the everglades, fishing kind of sucked but was still an amazing day out....2 lb lady fish on the fly are actually fun, for about the first dozen lol

 

how did the OP make out?

Im not sure how you gauge whether or not to tip a guide. If you spent $500 and caught fish, you got what you paid for. In what instances would a tip be appropriate? Off the top of my head I would say if they cleaned my fish for me or if the guide was not the owner of the charter.

Taking the family to Orlando for a week at Universal Studios etc etc. Ive noticed that there are a bunch of Lakes around. Anybody have any experience or advice to share on this? Any and all advice appreciated!

Sheldon

Hey .....how did you make out in Florida? What did you end up doing?

Yep, it's a popular tactic down there for big bass

I wouldn't pay guide fees to shiner fish.

What is an appropriate fee for pay a guide for bass fishing? I would love to land a 10+ lber but on the other hand I've never caught a redfish before... oh the decisions!

Hi everyone,

I am very thankful that November is around the corner and all this salmon instanity will be over.

I always get seriously disturbed when I run into or hear about snaggers and poachers. This stuff haunts my dreams. I'm afraid one day it'll make me do something stupid that could get me into trouble...you know how loogans can be!

I'm pretty sure that along with a call to the MNR, we can call the local police too, is that right? I mean, poaching is against the law....

What do you guys think?

Ok that makes me feel better. Thanks

the kingpin sold I missed my chance

Go with the Pink Imperial....you wont be disappointed,

 

You wouldn't be disappointed with the Islander either, but one day a few weeks from now you may look at it and say, 'i wish it was pink'

Im looking at both models in pink.....otherwise there would be no discussion I am pinkorexic....its a disease

I forgot to mention that the KP is pink and RARE. Does this matter? It kind of matters to me.....I like to be different