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not sure if anyone mentioned this--and I hate giving out spots but I have a godson in Oshawa and have a soft spot for kids---Oshawa beach has a great abandoned marina I got there often for catfish, carp and more..

if the fly doesn't no go to the ground forget the tent no matter what anyone says--rain hits the tent wall at an angle(to save eweight no tent walls are treated unless its a single wall expedition tent) so you will get wet..sooner or later depending on the tightness of the nylon weave--the fly needs to hit the ground and close to---I was just reading posts--and ssing coleman tents with fly that covers the roof only --rain rarely falls straight--in a storm...don't cheap out man getting wet sucks with kids especially---if you want to go high end I strongly reccoment the MSR mutha hubba--awesome light and bombproof --pricey and not made for kids though

I have the eureka el capitan-for car camping and such--it is the closest thing I could get that was high end that was still tough for kids to destroy and rugged-- I have a ton of miles backcountry camping with MSR tents--winter and summer-- --bombproof and lightweight however if you add a kid or dog into the mix forget about it-too sensitive-eureka tents are extremely heavy duty--anyone that is a lightweight backpacker wont even look at their tents however for car camping they are much lighter than the cheapies from walmart -and they are also waaaay more waterproof end "element" resistant,.eureka is considered the best of the rest for--as well as big agnes--they have a few tents out now that are overpriced however great tents--lebaron carries them as well. please don't get sucked into the walmart or Canadian tire tents--they will cost you in the long run--cheap zippers --heavy steel or outdated graphite poles--tarp floors which are indestructible but are like packing a polar bear into a stuff sack...eureka is the way to go--elcapitan I have had now for 4 years and as I said I bought it only for car camping as I didn't want to spend 500 plus on a tent for the family but I still wanted warranty, water repellency and durability without the weight of a circus tent--I don't mean to sound arrogant however I have a lot of experience in camping in general PM if you wish.