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It seems like everyone has an opinion on this, or an opinion of the people involved. Putting that all aside, the security camera video evidence is crystal clear. https://youtu.be/KaQwdSekfQg At the 1:35 mark you can see the O'Leary's boat appear, with its lights on. At 1:53, it hits the other boat. At 2:10, the other boat begins turning on its lights. Regardless of who has money and who doesn't, the one thing that cannot be disputed is that the boat Mrs O'Leary hit did not have its lights on. The court got it right, fault lies with the operator of the second boat. Everything else is just window dressing.

Our media and the O'Leary's are at opposite ends of the political spectrum, the press was in a hanging mode but justice prevailed.

A boat the size of theirs would do major damage even going 10 km I was trolling out from picton one night and all but ran into a boat that was sitting with no lights , we ( the 4 of us) could not see the boat none of us drank any booze and about 15 ft from the other boat we heard them yell and still couldn’t see them we stopped and drifted into the boat but used our hands to push off to not do damage I agree with the outcome of this ruling

What I find the most alarming is that even though the stargazers had no lights on in their boat they must have heard and seen the other boat nearby and yet none of them had the common sense to at least turn on some lights or shine a flashlight at the other boat to let them know there was a boat anchored. Something still doesn't add up.

Cliff, next time just send me a text. I didn't get this until just now, but otherwise I could have left right away. Don't forget I am close by, and always willing to help. If not me, Lori would also. S.

I have my own strong opinions on this tragedy. Who was actually driving, alcohol, speed and of course MONEY to afford the legal council of Greenspan...... and have had from the start of the investigation. I have no wish to share them in detail here as this is the type of thread that goes South quickly. 'Nuff said!

There's a reason why navigational lights on a boat are designed not to interfere with the vessel operators vision and yet still provide visual acuity to the where abouts of other vessels operating at night. I have more than once admonished a passenger for shining a flashlight about if I had not directly requested them to do so. In short, an unlit boat is a boating hazard.

I also run at night in my boat, but in pitch dark, you can’t use a flashlight to drive because it kills your night vision and only illuminates what is in the beam. For me, a light shortens the distance you can see, not the other way around. I agree that speed had to be a factor though. You should never drive faster than you can see (strange way to say it, but you know what I mean). I think the biggest reason she got off was the fact the other boat did not have its anchor lights on. That is a law that is there for the exact reason that its hard to see boats at night that don’t have the normal nav lights on. Since the people were star gazing, I expect they went out for a nice night and turned off the anchor/nav lights to be able to see the stars better. Resulted in a horrible tragedy. Who knows if they would have been seen if the lights were on. We’ll never know I guess. We all need to ensure we have the proper lights on your boat if you are out at night.

Just playing forward for all the stuff you have done for us over the years...or is it playing back !

Beans my old friend, that would be wonderful! I will pick him up at your place tomorrow morning at 6 am if that works for him. Should have him back home mid afternoon tomorrow. It's a straight up and back trip. Thank you so much, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it!

Hey Cliff...My step-son who is staying with us for a few weeks would be glad to help...I myself am lucky to drive as far as Lindsay/P"tboro and back without experiencing back pain but he is much younger (60) than I (most people are)....As he has a license but no car do you want us to drive him to Lindsay or will you pick him up here ?...I take it is a there and back trip...? He has to be back here to drive MB to Oshawa on Friday...

That boat was a 1966 model if memory serves me, and it was 18 feet measured at the waterline. Today the marketers would probably call it a twenty footer! 🙄 Gunwale height was below my waist but not much. It was a BIG boat for small water, steering wheel of course, prop was a fair ways down if you wanted to run shallow. I don't recall how many times I had to replace/rebuild the prop, but it was quite a few. It just wasn't the boat I needed for the kind of fishing I was doing once I was no longer out on Lake Ontario, Lake Huron and Georgian Bay. And at heart I am a tiller boat guy, the steering wheel was great for downrigging but not worth a fart for back-trolling, and there was literally no place for a bow-mount electric. If you are going to own two boats, I suggest two used units, one that is OK for big water and for farting around with the family, tubing and that kind of stuff, and one that you can use for "most" fishing off of the big water. My $0.02. Doug

have Simms, but next pair I'd consider Dryft. Friends who have them say they're pretty cats meow.

I hope they lock this because you just call people names, bring in other Bull like anti-vaxx/sheeple/regulatory compliance.... like hahaha you work in pharma doing the most boring paperwork in the world or something. I've been around that many times. Either way, if you think someone standing where they were to begin with, before you got there and having choice words for you is harrassment, you have lead a pretty sheltered life. Nobody agrees with you if you haven't noticed. Take your retarded opinion and disdain for me somewhere else. You've been wrong every single time.